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It's crazy how fast this school is growing. UCF has a huge location advantage on FSU, and seems to have a good amount of resources to work with.
What are your opinions on the future as far as academic rankings, endowment, and such? Could UCF surpass FSU in the next 50 or so years?
Academically they have the standing of a diploma factory. Very poor. It all comes down to landing a transformative coach. If they say eff it and hire Bobby petrino in a year then yeah, Miami should get nervous and USF should give up.
If UCF hires Petrino in a year, the ACC needs to extend an invite.
It will never happen, because it's pro-active and all... but a man can wish.
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If the UCF job opens this year it will be one of the hottest jobs in the country for young up and coming coordinators looking for their first head coaching job.
I would expect at least 3 FSU assistants to interview for that job (Dawsey, Coley, Gran).
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Doubtful. It will never be more than a stepping stone. Any successful coach will be hired away immediately. I don't see them ever standing toe to toe in recruiting and that will deter interest.
Also, if most of the students are like my friends who went there, their student base is full of UM, UF and FSU fans. If they chose to become boosters, its probably at those schools.
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Is Stoops looking for a better, established program?
No you could probably throw him in as well.
Stoops wouldn't take the UCF job IMO and I don't think Gran, Coley or Dawsey could get it.
Agree on Stoops and most likely right on the second part, but like I said, they will definitely interview for it.
Of course it's jmo, but even if UCF did that that'd be a terrible idea.
FSU will never be caught, let alone passed, by these other in-state schools. And that's no matter what their athletics do (because they ain't going to surpass us there, either).
But in 50 years I could definitely see something like:
Florida's National, Traditional Publics (top 25 publics): FSU, UF
Florida's Regional, Urban Publics (top 75 publics): FIU, UCF, USF
Their endowment is about 1/4 of ours. Their research is about 1/2. We retain and graduate students at a higher clip. We have more doctoral students and postdocs. We have 7 members of National Acadmies (UCF has 1). We're ranked substantially higher in practically every university ranking that exists. There are likely only a handful of programs that UCF has that academicians from the field would rank higher than FSU's.
They've built up their athletic programs and PROMPTLY had both sanctioned by the NCAA. Other than being able to claim, "We have over 50,000 students, half of whom are juco transfers, making us one of the largest universities in the nation," I don't see what makes them the better school in the future.
That's not to say FSU should be complacent and that we/it isn't capable of greatly improving our/its current programs through intelligent and aggressive hiring and branding/marketing. I'd personally like to see FSU increase the breadth of its professional programs. We don't have occupational therapy, physical therapy, dentistry, pharmacy and physician's assistant, among others, which are all good-to-high paying jobs that other schools in the state either already have or are aggressively trying to add. Personally I think the state should allow FSU to absorb FAMU, cutting any duplicate programs and retaining the programs and professors they so choose (like architecture, agriculture, pharmacy and journalism).
Good post, trick. A lot of interesting stuff in there.
To coach at UCF you need to ask:
1) Would the typical 4-star pick UF/FSU/UM or would he give UCF equal consideration?
2) Can UCF legitimately compete with Louisville, WVU, Georgia, Auburn, Clemson, South Carolina for in-state recruits that UF/FSU/UM are not recruiting?
3) What is the pay for the whole coaching staff? If the pay is better at South Carolina or Iowa, would you still want UCF?
FAMU is a Historically Black College and University. It would be a PR nightmare for all parties involved if FSU absorbed FAMU.
FAMU sucks. Eff them
1) you don't need the typical 4-Star to compete in the Big East. UCF, just like USF will land a 4-star here and there, which is more than enough to win the Big East.
2) They aren't competing with UGA, Auburn or Clemson for recruits and they'll win a few battles against Louisville, WVU and South Carolina.
3) Is the job at South Carolina and Iowa open. If you are a coach from FL like Coley, Gran, Cristobal you would definitely take the job instate and use your built in connections to grow the program and then skip town in 3-5 years for a bigger job.
I do think UCF is a sleeping giant. I compare them to FSU in the 60s or 70s. They are probably 10-15 years away but if they get the right coach they could absolutely be a power.
What was FSU before Bowden? A POTENTIAL power. We had the florida weather, hot girls, great recruiting ground.
With Miami about to get bent over by the NCAA, either USF or UCF is going to fill the void and UCF has a much better shot.
If UCF makes a good coaching hire they would instantly be a top 25 program. Unless FSU has another decade like 2000-2010 and becomes asleep at the wheel i doubt UCF passes us but they are a sleeping power.
The biggest problem is they need to get into a good conference or get some big time booster money
Here is the million dollar question:
If a really really good coach could grow programs such as BYU (LaVell Edwards), Utah (Urban Meyer), Boise State (Chis Peterson), Washington (Don James), TCU (Gary Patterson), Stanford (Jim Harbaugh) into national title contenders or even national champs (BYU and UW), then is it possible to duplicate the same at UCF?
There is no natural talent base for BYU, UW, Utah or Boise State to recruit. TCU and Stanford have to compete with bigger and more established programs in their respective states, since TX and CA are national recruiting grounds: BYU, UW, Utah and BSU recruit both states heavily, in addtion to all the instate teams and national powers.
In other words, can UCF become a TCU or Stanford in terms of football?
If they stay in a weak conference, then yes, they could easily be the next Boise State or Utah. It will be interesting to see how TCU handles their transition into the Big XII.
If I was the AD of UCF, I would hire an air raid or spread option offensive mastermind like a Chad Morris, Mike Leach, or Dana Holgerson, and try to pick up all of the fast, undersized kids that FSU and UF pass on. They could easily build a team like WVU has had over the past decade with an electric, high tempo offense just with the kinds of kids who are available in Florida every year.
Just my two cents.
The original question posed included "in the next 50 years."
And spare me all this PR nightmare crap. That has nothing to do with whether it's the right move: whether it makes the most sense for the State.
Two PUBLIC universities in Tallahassee?
One of the two universities being perpetually riddled in scandal?
One of the two universities having TERRIBLE admissions standards?
One of the two universities losing millions in state funds?
One of the two universities having an appalling graduation rate?
One of the two universities seemingly always on the brink of losing accreditation?
One of the two universities failing to find a competent President/Board for the better part of a decade?
I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled years ago that "separate but equal" was unconstitutional. Money funneled into FAMU would be better spent at the other state universities supporting programs like FSU's C.A.R.E. program that actually graduates African Americans at a rate of nearly TWICE that of FAMU (73% to 40%). Our C.A.R.E. program produced a RHODES SCHOLAR. Sixty-five percent are from single-parent homes. Eighty-two percent are first-generation collegians. Ninety-seven percent are eligible for Pell Grants.
Should FAMU be housing graduate and professional programs when they can't even graduate their undergrads? Should FAMU be enrolling underqualified students just to get enrollment numbers up when their are other universities and colleges in the state that might be better suited to handle these students?
Keep the Marching 100. FSU can have two bands. That'd be sweet. Create a Legacy Walk on the former FAMU campus like we've recently completed on our own. Celebrate and acknowledge the history of FAMU. Change the name of the school to Florida State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College (Hint: Check LSU's official name).
If FAMU were thriving I probably wouldn't really consider this idea. Or if FAMU were still struggling but a private institution receiving minimal state funding, I wouldn't think much of it, either. But it's neither. In the next 50 years I can definitely see an absorption occurring. That's a long time.
Me no concur.
Do you guys think FSU will eventually gain AAU membership? If so, how long would it take?
I cant see them on the level of fsu but i can see them overtaking um eventually. Within 10 years they might not even be unanimously the best team in Miami
Are U implying fiu will be better than Miami?
Yes. I am not the only one either. Last coaches poll that came out FIU had 3 times as many votes as UM did. (3-0). Spin it anyway you want, that is a fact. Pete Garcia is the AD there, that name should be familiar to you as a cane fan. He is a program builder. Large alumni base, committed to building, same location as UM, opening up medical schools that will pump millions in revenue for resources, an on-campus stadium. FIU will eventually overtake UM. Not next year, but eventually
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