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The Big 10 took Maryland and Rutgers because they have a cable channel and they think the new huge markets will more than pay for Maryland and Rutgers and strengthen the conference's long-term financial position even more than it is now. The question is whether anyone else has the same incentives.
The Big 12 has no cable channel - at least no league-wide one. Texas has its own network and wants to make that work; FSU adds nothing to that (the Longhorn Network isn't getting carried in FL because there's an FSU basketball game on it every couple years). Most of the other schools have signed tertiary deals with Fox. There just isn't much, if any, more money to be made from adding FSU for at least several years, if not a decade or more. It might strengthen the league competitively and strengthen the league's stability and financial position long term, but it isn't a slam-dunk deal and there's no obvious reason why the conference has to act urgently. A conference championship game would add some money, but it isn't a game-changer on a per-team basis, and there are a lot of folks in the media suggesting Texas and Oklahoma are privately saying they really prefer going without a conference championship game. Unless someone can convince Texas that long term the way to go is to drop the Longhorn Network and go instead with a league-wide cable channel (or a split model like the Pac-12), I'm not all that optimistic about the Big 12 happening. (And never mind that after the top couple teams, that league isn't exactly the most beautiful one.)
The SEC might go to 16, but the only reason to do so is because they are starting their own cable channel and might want to try and expand their market reach similarly to what the Big 10 is doing. That means there is zero financial reason for them to add FSU (and I will believe Auburn, Alabama, Florida, and Georgia would vote to add FSU when it actually happens).
Going the independent route seems tempting in a vacuum, but there's way more chance that doing so backfires disastrously than it turns into a cash cow. Plus we would be screwed in the playoff and bowl money situation - anyone see what BYU will be getting from the playoff money pool? Notre Dame is treated like a special case - we can't expect that anyone would support us getting the same deal (the ACC would be against it, the SEC would probably be happy to screw a regional competitor, and no one else would care). And what happens if going independent doesn't work out? Where do we turn then? Ask the ACC to take us back?
Since the Big 10 has basically announced they are a money-first league, maybe there's a chance that something could happen.if they decide to expand their network south-ward, but I strongly suspect that they'd go for UNC and Georgia Tech (Atlanta) first so as to at least keep up the facade that it really matters that they go after AAU schools (and if it just so happens to bring them a few more lucrative TV markets, what a nice coincidence!).
Until someone calls FSU with an offer the school can't refuse, I don't see much for FSU to do but try to work with its ACC partners to make the league better - somehow, some way.
Please tell me this also includes dogs that look like pandas too...
Do a google search -- there tons of articles from analyst about how Notre Dame is going to have to join a conference eventually.
As the conferences continue to expand and turn into super conferences... they aren't going to tolerate exceptions...
Who is going to exert more pressure when it comes to deciding how these playoffs will be picked (or any other NCAA decision for that matter) -- the 4-5 major conferences (99% of the teams) or the independent school that wants special exceptions made for it?
See article below on Notre Dame before this year.... This article may seem out of touch, because they are having an amazing year, but it's really the first time in a long time they've been relevant. They've been shit for 20 years... which means 2 generation of kids grew up, who think Notre Dame and Vanderbilt are on the same plain... except in there eyes, Notre Dame gets special treatment and consideration FOR NOT LEGITIMATE REASON.... so they grow up hating the bastards.
With anything in life, there is a hellacious amount of power in numbers.... and the power flow is trending strongly towards the mega-conferences...the mega-conferences will protect themselves... and do everything to leave out everyone else... everyone else will be Notre Dame, unless they conform....
I don't love Notre Dame football anymore. Notre Dame football has been living a lie, as Lou Holtz likes to say. Outlined against a blue-gray October sky, nothing happened. The echoes are in REM sleep. It has failed to advance the ball.
I pretty much agree with you...yet...ND still gets all sorts of perks, at some point this playoff is going to be restricted to conference champions and some at-large teams, since money drives everything, whats better then a 4 team playoff? An 8 team playoff!
The ncaa tourney started expanding when people became interested and the whole bracketology thing began.
As said above, nobody really wants FSU, because quite honestly we bring nothing new finacially, we are pretty much in the same boat as ND, a has been who may or may not be enjoying a bit of a resurgence.
Be mad if you want, but FSU is married to the ACC....there is no logical reason for the B12 or the SEC to offer.
Best bet now, is that somehow the ACC can stabalize this whole thing, and not just add teams so we have even numbers.
Notre Dame might need to join a conference eventually, but not any time soon. Money and exposure is not presently a concern for them. They had two concerns: scheduling (particularly non-football sports) and playoff/bowl access. They have access to the playoffs and conference champs will not be given any preference. Thanks to the ACC and the Orange Bowl, they no longer have any concerns about scheduling in any sport or bowl access. (Notre Dame would have likely made a deal to become a partial member of the Big 12 if the ACC didn't give them what they wanted, so the ACC probably made the right choice, even if it basically eliminated any chance Notre Dame had of joining a conference in football.)
If so, then the ACC needs to add Louisville to replace Maryland while getting ND and Penn State. To me, those are the only teams I will be satisfied with.
By the way, I have to give some love to Chris Nee for driving with me to work today. 104.5 The Zone in Nashville took some time to talk some FSU football. I tuned in midway through the segment (not knowing they had Chris spouting some knowledge) and almost swerved off the road when they asked a second FSU question. Thanks Chris for some taking time of your day to talk to those clowns.
Penn State is not an option. Not only would they not leave due to finances, but as with all Big10 schools, they have signed away all of their media rights for the next 15 years. They are worthless to anyone else during that span.
Man, I cannot kill a dog. I like dogs better than some people I know.
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Reading the Texas board some say grab us and Clemson now, others say we are #2 team in the state with financial problems. Texas thinks they are above all. I would be all for Big12 if it is best for FSU ! That said don't kiss Texas' butt when it comes to money. I would like SEC or Big12 for the Noles unless ACC has complete change in mindset for this conference (yeah right ).
GO NOLES !!!
Programs with financial issues don't spend $45 million in one off-season in addition to their $87 million budget [which will continue to rise even higher with new investments (dorms, selling out our stadium in 2014 as Andy Miller has predicted, club seating etc.)]. Having said that, these contract situations are being severely overblown. Sure, TV money has gone up for our competitors, but so has ours. Most importantly though, our booster contributions have gone up greatly and brought the gap between FSU and UF to a much, much smaller margin than it ever has been. FSU isn't going to crumble because a school in our region is making 8 million more per year from TV contracts; the monetary description has been much worse in the past. Would it be nice to have that extra money? There's no question about it and if an offer is in place, we would be foolish not to take it, but our football program and athletic department will be fine either way. We've always done more with less in academics, and I don't expect that to change.
This post was edited by fsukum 20 months ago
If FSU is as bad off as you say, it doesn't matter what happens, FSU won't compete for national titles ever again anyway.
Just as soon go to the Big 12 and be in a hopeless situation there than in this suck @#$@#$ ACC bball conference.
I never said we were bad off, i am simply saying we bring nothing to the B12 or the SEC that they will want.
The only way I see FSU getting an invite is if say the SEC wants to keep the B12 or B10 out of their backyard.
This could all end up being a moot point if the ACC doesn't pull itself together, the national perception is really bad right now. Its like Charlotte waits for hoops season so they don't have to hear about football anymore.
You said FSU, in a major Florida market, with a solid fan base and strong tradition, adds nothing to the B12. Well, not exactly that, but that's not far off. I know it's your opinion and I always appreciate your comments........But that seems extreme to me.
He loves the acc so he's slightly biased
That said, fsu decrease the chances that ou or Texas play for an Mnc and that's why I think they decline to add fsu
As a Texas fan I can assure you that the vast majority of UT fans would be thrilled with FSU in the Big 12. There was one poster in an 8 page thread that referred to FSU as #2 in Florida. I certainly would not take that as representative.
Most realize that FSU has an outstanding tradition and is located in a highly desirable state and we'd be lucky to have FSU join the conference.
I think you are way underselling our brand appeal and national following.
I wonder if the SEC is that forward thinking? The Mizzou addition was nothing more than a panic move because of odd number of teams regarding scheduling which leaves doubts about the SEC strategic plan.
It would be anywhere damaging to very damaging to the SEC if especially the big 12 planted a big Flag in the middle of SEC country that flies as high as any SEC flag.
FSU in the big 12 is far more damaging to the SEc than a&m is to the big 12 b/c A&M does not turn on tv sets and has no national presence. They are barely a top 30 tv draw.
Furthermore, IMHO Um in the long term is a better addition than gt for any conference.
However, either school is a secondary addition just to induce Clemson and FSU to leave the ACC.
I admire your dedication to the cause... You can start with a coon hound that lives across street form my house. Bays every day for about 5 minutes between 5-5:30 am He is white, tan and black-close enough to Panda colors for our purposes.
This post was edited by TNOLE27 20 months ago
Well you need to motivate some people over there to do a little inviting so we can see what happens. Think it would make for some awesome games for fans to watch.
This thread has been a great read y'all. Thanks. Mountaineer Nation would absolutely like FSU and Clemson in the Big XII. We would like to have VPI and FT come onto the conference with you as well. With FSU and Clemson coming into the conference it would definitely being in more money for each and every school in the conference. I hope to see y'all in the Big XII soon y'all.
Yet the A&M Bama game was the 4th highest CBS in the last 3 years.
I agree with the Mizzou but Slive wanted a new market and AAU school which no ACC schools besides UNC/Duke brings. Slive dream SEC schools are Texas, Duke and UNC. Mizzo was an easy sell bc of the SECN, AAU status and SEC borders...
I think a lot of people oversell it as well, maybe I am being negative, I only favor the ACC because i do not see us getting an invite from anyone else...right now, so we need to make due with where we are, which I think we are doing quite nicely (don't pin all the blame on the ACC for our #10 ranking, playing 2 FCS schools has a lot more to do with that).
But enough of this expansion crap...wtf is up with dogs that look like Pandas?
Pben is like a guy who beats his girlfriend and tells her how ugly she is so stays with him(the ACC) because she doesn't think she can do any better.
FSU brings a ton to any conference and don't ever forget it!
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