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FSU is very limited on where it could go..but from what i can gather in talking to various people here is what you have:
-ACC, wait and see...I know patience is not a strong suit for people, but right now the ACC is wobbly (same as the B12 a few yrs back), so how do you pacify the football schools (FSU, Clemson and VT) while keeping the conf together? You need to bring in a bona fide football power. Louisville is a nice start, but ND needs to just add those extra 3 conf games now..and then? Then you smack the B10 right back in the face and cut a sweet deal to draw in Penn St. You can get the Nittany Lions right now, because they are about as down as you can get, you add ND and PSU to a newly formed "North Division" FSU goes into the South Division with newly acquired Louisville, ad now you are steady as she goes. Oh and that media deal will get blown up...likelhood...I'd say ona scale of 1 to 10, a 4, though I can see part of it happening at around a 8, which will only extend the suffering.
-SEC, they will go to 16, the question is, why do they need FSU? It is a case where FSU needs them way more than they need FSU. Last yr FSU operated with a 81 million budget and a 3.5mill profit in the AD..as time goes on that is only going to shrink, possibly within 2-3 yrs. The SEC promises more revenue everywhere..but again, both parties need to show interest.
-B12, this was the definition of "Because i read it on the internet it must be true" in relation to FSU being courted by them. Fact is, the B12 outside of a revenue bump in media dollars and additional bowl $$, offers nothing else. You think FSU is going to pop in and get OU at home every yr? This in the short term secures finances but in the long term we will always be that "School from Florida", similar to what UMD will face in the B10, there is a reason the admin is very hesitant about the B12....money fixes most things, but this is not a cash grab situation.
-B10, do they want the Florida market too? This presents the same issues as the B12.
-Indie, but tie into a lesser conference for all non-football sports..now as crazy as this sounds, think about it. FSU joins the BE for everything for football, but promises say 3 BE games a yr, that FSU controls. There is an exit fee that no conf could help with in this case, however...leavign to be indie is quite different than leaving for a rival conf, in the one sport that matters. Plus, why wouldn't NBC want to add another school to its resume..you would for certain have a FSU-ND annual clash (someone needs to replace Michigan, and isn't a game in Fl worth a lot more to the Irish?), out of all these scenarios, this is the one FSU would retain the most control...however this move would take bowling ball sized nads, and well....
You know the bozos in charge could simply make the playoff 8 teams, and say the 5 conf champs are AQ's, the other 3 selected by commititee and all of this would end.
Bet the ACC would suddenly look pretty hot in that scenario.
This post was edited by Pbenuncensored2 17 months ago
Love the independent route. I think we could cut the same deal as ND. We can stall out any court case on the fees long enough to get our legs under us, IMO.
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If ACC can't get ND to be full time in the ACC for football then I don't see the conference surviving IMO
This post was edited by seminoles 04 17 months ago
They were supposed to be, but Swofford blinked too soon..he thought they would take the B12 offer, and they never would of, they wanted the ACC, and now its all going to blow up.
Great Points brought up but wouldn't the Big 12 need to get to 12-16 teams to be one of the power conferences that it appears college football is headed towards and that fuel the need to get anywhere from 2-6 more teams to join?
there is no shot we could cut a deal similar to ND (at least money wise). Anyone hoping for that is delusional...
Yes, and we'd likely end up there essentially because that would be our only potential option, which is never a good situation to be in. It could work, but you like to have more than one option, which is why I brought up the indie thing, feasibly those are the only two, IF the ACC begins to really fall apart.
Now if the B12 took in like FSU, GT, Clemson and say Louisville..then we'd be having a radically different conversation, but just us or just us and one other school..outside of it being a new conf and exciting at first, I just don't see it being good look term. We need dance partners to go with us.
I don't think going Independent is an option at all with the play-off system now and the Big 4 all going to 9 game conference slates.
Almost immediately we would be faced with the same problems Notre Dame has only the Big10, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12 would not be interested in having a (5-game) scheduling agreement with us and the ACC would most likely just say screw you. There just aren't enough teams out there right now willing to sign up for home-and-homes if you name is not Notre Dame.
I think best case scenarios would be:
1) SEC's hand is forced into giving us an invite - problem solved. We belong in the SEC anyway.
2) ACC Option - For some reason I am not understanding in the original post, Notre Dame would give up the absolute cash-cow of an arrangement they have now and join the ACC full. Then Penn State gives up millions of dollars more and iron-clad stability to jump over to the shaky ACC on a "chance" that we might get our TV deal somewhere close to what the Big 10 had.
3) Big 10 Option - Not really a question of if we go if they offer, that would be a no brainer. The question is would they offer?
4) Big 12 - It's still better than the ACC, even with Texas.
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To go one step further, I am honestly not interested in my team being in a conference who has to sweeten deals for teams like ND and Penn State when they have done nothing for us for over 20 years now.
I would rather start over fresh somewhere like the Big 12 where at least everyone gets an equal share of the pie. (Texas as the outlier, not because the conference gave up concessions like the ACC did for ND, but because Texas is a big enough brand to use it's 3rd tier rights in ways the other members of the conference can't dream of... that isn't Texas' fault.)
Not that the idea of being an Independent is practical, but it would not hurt us in the playoff at all.
Plain and simple, you win your games and have a tough schedule doing so, you will go to the playoff. I never understood why people say this. What does being in a conference have to do with going to the playoff?
If our schedule was...
This schedule would be more than enough to make any playoff.
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The Big10 is even worse at football than the ACC... slow and awful...
They will never be back.... the talent in the areas they are able to recruit from is painfully slow compared to the south.
If we leave, we have to go to a conference that is far more competitive.. the money will be made when we can fill up our stadium consistently and increase demand (ticket cost)....
To say its a no brainer to accept an invite from them... well, that is a farce...
Zero chance we go to BIG10. Zero chance we go independent.
Notre Dame is struggling as an independent. Think about that for a second.... Notre dame is a much bigger brand, has a crap ton of more money..... and a crap ton more rich boosters.... are connected to organize religion... have an exclusive tv contract... and they are on the fringe of joining a conference.... this is insane to think this is plausible
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by FsuFanForever 17 months ago
i know this is a pipe dream but i would love for the big 10 to try and expand thier brand into florida......that would definitely force the SEC to really consider us ....jim delaney is the man as far as conference commissioners imo. i wouldnt put it past him to really consider and expand the big 10 network to the orlando.tampa bay,jacksonville,and miami markets
The one GIANT flaw in the "need to expand for geography" argument is the fallacy you need a local team for your network to be carried in a given market. Here is Atl. we have the big 10 network.
That is a circa 1982 analysis when secondary games were carried on local UHF channels.
The tams that add value are the one that urn on TV sets.
Mizzou does very little turning on of tv sets of that which is why the big 10 passed over them on 2 different occasions despite their groveling to get into the big 10.
A&M adds a presence in Texas but is barely a top 30 tv draw.
Adding Mizzou is a disaster for the SEC b/c all you are doing is subsidizing a school.
The question is, how many more big 10 network viewers will you get in NYC b/c of Rutgers. You may be able to count them on both hands.
However, at least I can understand the dc and nyc markets. St louis-i can count SEC network subscribers one one hand. -no hand if they will have to pay extra to the get the SEc channel.
That is where my analysis differs regarding the SEC. We are worth more money to advertisers because we have a very large national audience. As large as the top 2 SEC audiences (Bama and UF) ergo we are value added to any conference. The argument that Florida has the state locked up (1) isn't true given equal viewership and more importantly (2) doesn't really matter because games ar enow broadcast nationally.
Everyone but uf wants us in the SEC. What I would have hoped is that the big 10 had put forth a Southern strategy and gone for 4 teams in the South. After not getting Texas to bite they seemed to have lost interest. With the money being discussed they could have gotten us, Clemson, GT to go with md.
The big 12 needs at least 2 other teams but I suspect would add 4 if it stabilized its situation. FSU,Clemson, Gt and either um or Louisville or both and then add a 6th -BYU would be the obvious choice-they are also value added because they are by far and away the most watched team in the West not named USC or UCLA.
This post was edited by TNOLE27 17 months ago
Regional boundaries are meaningless in the new age of college football.
The South is the place to be so Big10 and Big12 might be viable options in the next 12 months. If one goes to 16 teams and pods then we would still have 8 games a year in fla so we would be good. Add in southern teams like Gt, Clemson, Vt in our "pod" to come along and boom you have another 1 or 2 games in the south each year
Realistically you would be looking at 2 games a year in the north/Midwest which is what we do now and e get the massive increase in $
Sorry but a no brainier IMO if the SEC doesn't come through
You are so clueless and biased about the ACC. What about this season hasn't taught you that ND is NOT joining a conference? ND is in position to play in the National Title game, and they just leveraged a deal to keep their SOS up their with the ACC by playing opponents and robbing any value we provide, without actually having to compete for a conference championship.
notre dame isn't coming, Notre Dame Isn't Coming, NOTRE DAME ISN'T COMING.
When will this sink in. You're head is too thick to realize this...
Agreed. however, we know the aCc sucks so why even 1 aa school? you leave yourself no margin for error. play one bad to mediocre 1a team and one mediocre to good 1a team not named uf.
Notre Dame is struggling as an indepedent? The BCS and various recruiting sites do not corroborate this statement.
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Dont think BIG10 and the BIG12 are the same thing....
One has great football teams and a profitable tv deal.
Other has terrible football (20+ years of trending down) and a slightly more profitable tv deal.
Terrible football = decreasing in value....
This post was edited by FsuFanForever 17 months ago
It was plastered all over the airways when they came to the ACC... before this year, their relevance was quickly fading....
The major conferences are going to be able to cut them out... because its in their long term best interest.... do you really think the ACC was their first choice?
SEC or bust.
I will murder every Panda on the earth to make this happen.
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The Big 12 is just as viable as the SEC, if they were to add us and Clemson.
They quality of their football teams would be equal or better than the SEC, after the addition.
Extremely profitable television deal (check)
Extremely competitive football (check)
It's profitable either way for us... I honestly have no preference... Both the SEC and Big12 meet these requirements...
The Big10 = their football is too crappy.
Big East = their football is too crappy and low revenues.
PAC is not an option, it's too geographically absurd.
The only reason they are in a position to play in the Bcs nc is because they are the last undefeated team. Lose against USC and they are out.
And there is only 1 more Bcs after this year so it is a moot point. No one knows how the playoff teams will be picked.
Additionally, the big 12 would be more desirable than the big 10 from a demographic perspective.
I am still waiting on the facts to back up the "Notre Dame is struggling as an independent" comment.
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