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more FSU hate. The horror.
Thank you for your honesty. I suspect many more feel the same as you.
Jumbo just needs to give up play calling. It's not a weakness to delegate.
Have you seen Stanford's SOS? Of course they get respect. They've earned it.
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"I never knew I had a foot until I noticed it was on your neck"
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I've seen it. Oregon was a great win. Outside of that don't see much strength.
Our schedule was atrocious and, instead of capitalizing on it, we sleepwalked through most of it. NCST, VT, GT, UM, USF, NIU . . . against all these teams we played uninspired football.
We played 1 1/2 games this year where the entire team looked like they REALLY wanted to win: 3/4 Clemson, 3/4 UF.
How is this STILL open for debate!? 5 years from now people will look back back on this season and it'll look nice: 12-2, ACC champs, OB Champs, Top 10 finish. 5 years from now, however, folks will have lost perspective. They won't even think to look at the numbers within the numbers, the fine details, playcalling, execution, SOS.
The FACT is we underachieved. Flat out. But it's ok. It's not the end of the world. There is always next year. Jimbo does worry me, though.
Oh, beating Oregon, UCLA twice, USC, Oregon State, playing ND into OT but getting effed by the refs is not impressive!? I think they had the third most difficult schedule in the FBS. Of course they earned it.
Damn right. If we dont win you and your crew would be over here talking about that. We also had to beat Clemson to get there who happened to beat one of the teams making up ufs #1 rated schedule. So yeah Im proud of my team. Takr that nonsense to the self loathing, gator envy-ing Nole "fans". I suggest tnole27. You guys have a lot in common.
It's not black and white.
Not sure how you come up with third most difficult. It wasn't even close to tough.
UCLA- got smoked by Baylor and finished unranked.
USC- are you going by preseason rank? They just lost to GT by 2 touchdown. That same team FSU beat a few weeks ago.
Oregon State- just got beat by an awful Texas team and will finish unranked.
They also lost to an unranked Washington team. Again, they had one win against a ranked opponent, which would be Oregon.
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I'm in complete agreement with this.
IMO, over the top press attention for Stanford is two things:
1 - They are fueling the hype machine heading into the 2013 Pre-Season and will most likely be touted as a Pre-Season Top 5 and MNC Contender out of the PAC-12
2 - The expectations for Stanford Football differ substantially from the expectations that are placed on Florida State Football.
I'm not making excuses for the blatantly evident inconsistencies in our offensive production, or the seemingly disconnected play calling, because some adjustments need to be made by Fisher this off-season. However, when stacking our program at this stage, player support/personnel infrastructure, coaching talent, recruiting prowess, player talent, player development, roster management, facilities, and generally positive trending among top flight recruits and coaches nationally, it's hard to not to acknowledge our program as moving in the right direction.
Most tend to always fall back to referring to the Dynasty years as the standard by which every FSU Football team is bench-marked against, and the expectation that they are held too. On the flip side, when doing so, IMO, some fail to acknowledge how far from those Dynasty years we were during '05-09' Seasons at the end of Bobby Bowden's career.
Our program as a whole was a shell of what it once was across the board and it extended well beyond coaching and player talent. Our program as it currently exists is light years ahead of what our program became during the lost decade and is trending in the right direction.
The only way it would be any different is if we didn't shit the bed vs NCstate. Having said that we will always be viewed every year as underachieving in the ACC unless we win out. Nothing will change that until we can start scheduling one or two tougher OOC teams. Had we beat UF our season outlook would be much better.
Well, Hate the National Media back. That might make you feel better. It does me!
OK, this is how I see some of it. Before Bobby Bowden, we flat out sucked so bad it was truly funny. Then BB was announced as the NEW Head Coach coming to us from West Virginia. "Oh, so now we're gonna get a Coal Miner who got hung in effigy by the Fans up there in where the hell was it? O West Virginia - a place so raggedy they have to borrow a name from somewheres else," quips my friend Coco. Well, we couldn't wait to see what kind of stumblebummery he could come up with for us now. Only thing, is he threw the football, or his QB's did, and threw it well. We started to beat some teams with names like Georgia, LSU, Kentucky, Southern Miss. - a strong team back then, and gain a bit of press. We got kicked out of our 50 yard line seats due to more fans coming to the games, and the ushers started checking tickets more to keep stinkbutts like my crew from buying $2 end zone ducats, and at the end of the 1st. quarter, sneaking around to the main stands - 50 yard line seats about 80-90 rows up on the student side. BB's first year was his only losing season, 5-6, and from there we became the "Road Warriors". Anybody, AnyTime, Anywhere. LSU - UP THERE FIVE times in a row! WON 4 of them. Beat the big boys and in the mid-late 80's and started the longest run of dominance in the history of the sport. BB was always great for down-home quotes, responded to interviews with stories much like Uncle Nash tries to do - poorly, and put the best team on the field year in and year out for a decade and a half. We were the darlings of the sport, and could be RELIED on to produce interesting, fast, incredibly talented teams all the time. The press LOVED us, we could be counted on you see. The single most comforting beat they had.
It's my almost humble opinion, they truly want us to get back to that level, and challenge the Alabamas. LSUs and UF's and Notre Dames for king o the hill. When we fall a bit short, it sticks in their craw, and ours too. WE want it more than anything. Most of us know perfection is a pipe dream, and we have a long way to do to be back to the very top. We're on the way, but I submit barely a bit more than half-way. What some of you may remember, is even during our so called Dynasty years, we blew some games, with the Lord of College Tackle Football - our own Robert Cleckler Bowden calling some dumb plays and quadruple reverses and puntrooskies and triple passes that worked just often enough to keep US from hanging him in effigy. We had to overcome some of his more notorious gaffes with the sheer weight of superior talent we almost always had over our opponents.
Our downward trajectory started slow, the ACC refs kept us sliding in greased grooves, and our best asst. coaches, rightly so, headed for $Greener$ Pa$uter$. The reasons for our crappier decade have been debated here and elsewhere ad infinitum, and we are still reaping the harvest of the many disappointed performances and seasons where everyone by sheer force of will WANTED us to be back, but we just couldn't quite get over the hump.
In looking back over 2012. I see plenty of places where I, in my plethora of depth of knowledge about Tackle Football, would have done things differently, particularly on offense, where as a mostly career DB, I know more about baseball. Still, 12 WINS, 2 losses, one of which our coach eventually admitted he blew it by using what me 'n my buds have monikered the "Turn Turtle" scheme. We took on all comers, beat the right ones at the right times, somewhat ugly I admit, and last night won a BCS bowl. So what if it was considered the least of them this year. That was completely out of our control. I consider this trip a success. Like Jimbo, I'm not completely satisfied, but I am happy to be where we are now, with the solid hope we can improve upon our performance.
True. But they beat all these teams when they were ranked. At one point Stanford had one of the toughest schedules, but no longer.
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