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Talk to some of the players from that era. I have the word hate used by 3 of them when discussing Jeff Bowden. To a person they said he was very lazy and not very smart.
Trust me, Coley has exponentially more support (actually the fact he has some means exponentially) more than jeffy ever had from the players. The players would prefer play calling to go in another direction-as in Coley and not Jimbo actually being oc.
Jeffy's only support was from mommy and daddy. Period. From 2004 on even his own brothers were trying get him to resign because of honor and they knew their dad's legacy was getting destroyed by Jeffy.
WOW. I had no idea it had gotten that bad.
He's not even talking about the half of it. There are worse things than he's mentioning.
yes it had. As to the overall issue at the time, did you really think it was a coincidence we had the statue, field naming and stained glass rolled out in 2004?
Yes, the same president that played for Bobby wanted him to leave after 2004.
As to the sons, I know someone who knew Tommy well that told me that one of sons and Jeffy almost came to blows over it before the 2005 season. However, both sons were trying to get him to leave after 2004.
Maybe if you knew what a lot us who knew what the adm wanted to do but would not do it from 2004 through 2009 maybe you would understand why our patience is shortened for Jimbo.
Is it fair? At the end of year 3, i say yes it is fair at this point. It probably wasn't fair in year 2.
So, his agent is trying to strong arm us and I think we should laugh in the agent's face after this year's results. We also think, hell Jimmy Sexton, we did not want Jimbo in the first place. If Jimbo wants to leave now we can go get someone worthy of this job.
IMHO the jury is still out as to whether Jimbo is worthy of this job. I suspect if he does not give up playcalling 2 years form now we will all agree he is not worthy of the job based upon the probable on the field results.
I hope I am wrong because I do not forsee him giving up playcalling. That may change if we get an Ad in the near future. As i stated after the NC ST game, 2 people whom know Jimbo fairly well think he needs an oc older than him that has been through the wars and won them most of the time . That would give Jimbo a comfort level not to meddle too much.
I think you're 100% wrong on all the Jimbo stuff, but you're sugar coating the Jeff Bowden stuff... Crazy what we allowed to go on for those years.
I understand your point of view, but consider this:
Just because we had those bad years doesn't mean that the learning curve or adjustment curve has shortened for Jimbo.
He has some weaknesses, yes, but deserves the chance to finish what he started. If he can't time will tell.
Man, I watched almost every game I could from 1982 until 2000, then I started coaching and didn't follow that closely agin until 2011.
Did the message boards explode?
All this Jeffy talk has me ready to start up again with my old crusade.
BRING BACK PETER TOM WILLIS.
Gosh just wish I was an insider. Everyone seems to have an "in" on how the offensive side of the ball should be run and how the players feel. Here's what I've gathered from the "insiders" and my counter to that:
Paraphrasing--- Coley would be a fantastic coordinator, I mean just read this board and you get the feeling we're almost at "Air Coryell" (youngsters look it up) if Fisher would just get our of the way.
** If Coley was so outstanding why isn't Stoops offering him the outright OC position? I mean Stoops goes against Coley's O all week (per insiders) in practice and he knows better than anyone how terrific Coley would be as a coordinator.
** Coley will be missed as a recruiter however FSU has done just fine with transitioning from past coordinators (Cottrell, Lily, etc).
** My opinion, Stoops wants him for recruiting and that's the reason he's in the discussion. You don't cut your teeth as an OC at FSU or even Kentucky. Please don't mention FIU, it was one year and they stunk.
** If Coley wants to go to Kentucky to get away from Fisher than let him go but he shouldn't complain, he knew his role when he took the position.
** Coley's strongest contacts are in South Florida, good luck getting the top players from there to commit to Kentucky, they'll follow Coley regardless of the UF, FSU or Miami offers... yeah right.
I was just talking about things that were going on with Jeff Bowden...
To be fair, I don't think we start stealing your 5* guys, but Strong (with an arguably worse overall staff) has been able to snag some big names from S. Florida. That is while playing in the Big East for a commuter school in a city where over 50% of the residents cheer for your instate rival. That was also at a time when their conference viability was very much up in the air and these kids weren't even sure if they would have the minimal exposure they have now.
Like I say, realistic expectations for Stoops, Coley, and DJ are to move us closer to the top 25 in recruiting and then move closer to the top 25 of the rankings. No realistic UK fan thinks we are going to raid your class and start beating you head to head for every recruit. Just hope to sneak in and get 1-3 big names a year.
Not in his first year. He only got 1 4 star kid, but he proved himself the following year, so his words carried weight, so his 2011 class looked a lot better. UK will more than likely still not make a bowl next season, will that be enough to prove to kids things are turning around? I have my doubts. I think Coley and Eliot are going to find it tough sledding trying to get kids to come from South Florida to Kentucky, and on top of that, recruit against Urban Meyer, Brady Hoke, and the rest of the Big 10 and SEC for the area talent. We think they are stud recruiters here, but some of that has to do with the spear they wore going into recruits homes. UK doesn't have that kind of appeal in football.
"A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt. "
Meh, they went from 4-8 to 6-6 in the regular season with a bowl victory over Southern Miss that no one watched. I wouldn't think 2 extra wins in an awful conference would be enough to convince top flight kids to come there on its own.
UL also has the problem of focusing entirely on Florida. If they strike out there none of their coaches have connections anywhere else. If the staff shapes up like most expect, we will have coaches with very strong ties to Florida, Texas, Georgia, and Louisiana. Again, not saying we just come in and raid those states for top notch talent, but it certainly gets us in places we haven't been able to get into in the past.
I knew Jeff was a lazy recruiter, hell did he recruit at all? But I didn't think he'd screw over his dad so bad by being a lazy worker. Maybe that explains why Bobby had the head set on so much. On the other side of the ball Bobby had his long time friends installed even though they didn't do the job. Both Amato and Jody Allen were as bad as jeff. And that's not even counting Dexter Carter as our RB coach! I can understand why the boosters have a very short trigger finger this time. You don't want to see our program run into and under the ground again.
Football is still a regional game though. You see the occasional kid trek far away from home, but, for the most part, football players don't go far away from home to play. Basketball is a lot different. I think it has a lot to do with them being used to being away from home with all the traveling they do in high school and AAU.
I think Oregon has shown that you can lure kids away from home to play if they think they are going to a good situation. Not saying we will recruit like Oregon, but San Fran is the nearest talent producing area of California to Oregon and it is almost 8 hours away. They have gotten some kids from LA, which is a solid 14 hour drive.
There are a lot of other factors in play here, obviously, but it isn't an impossible task.
With that being said, Go Noles. Will be cheering hard for you all against Tech. Easily my favorite team in Florida
They're also going on probation for their "great" out of state recruiting..
Who is on probation?
That relationship with kids' rep out of Houston. I think his name is Wille Lyles. as to the Ky poster, you do not Phil Knight bankrolling your program. Ergo, you will never recruit like them.
Kids have always gone from so cal to eugene.
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