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As spring football is about to begin I wanted to throw out some myths that people have been talking about on the message boards. Please feel free to discuss, argue, praise, bash or throw rose petals at my feet. Also if you have any of your own that you have been hearing please add.
1. "I have already seen QB A play so I have already made my judgement on him"
During the year and in fall camp the starting QB gets about 80 percent of the snaps with the first team. When a backup has to fill in for a starter he is at a real disadvantage as he didn't get to prepare like the starter and in a sense has been thrown to the wolves. The spring is the chance for the QBs to separate themselves as they will get more reps split equally. I would recommend holding judgement of ALL the QBs until the spring game at the EARLIEST.
2. "Player A doesnt look any bigger we should fire the strength coach"
Most players begin to add more bulk in the summer. The spring is just the beginning of the off season program and true results don't really show until fall camp starts.
3 "With having starting players A B and C out this is really going to hurt their development"
The spring is not the time for the starting players, it is for the underclassmen and backups to show to the coaches what they have in the cupboard. There is zero install periods and skelly and team are very bland. The spring is useful to the coaches to experiment with players at certain positions and push the underclassmen. During the year the backups get very few reps so this is their time to shine and prove to the coaches they can trust them.
4 "We need to pick a starting QB now so he can start to gel with the WR's"
While this is true to a point it is better to be sure who you are going to give the majority of the reps to before you make a decision you will regret later. During the summer the qbs have the best chance to run pass skell with the skill guys and get timings down and build cohesion between the groups. These are player run sessions and with the little contact coaches can have with players these skelly sessions are huge for development. It is usually on the QBs to set these up and that requires a certain leadership style for the other players to gravitate to.
5 "We are going to need alot of time to get used to all these new coaches"
One positive about Fischer running the O is that nothing is going to change that wouldn't normally occur in an off season to tweak some things because of personnel changes and maybe some new terminology to keep teams from being able to steal play calls. On the defensive side of the ball in reality football is still football. Players will need to learn some new terminology and some different gap assignments but once the players learn the base formations which wont be much different the install sessions in the fall is when the players will learn the technicalities of the new defensive scheme
6 "I sure hope so and so is taking his rehab and lifting seriously"
Now in professional football this is a problem, but in the college ranks these players are not trusted to do ANYTHING on their own. They are extremelly babied and for good reason. They are told when and where to be at ALL times and if they dont comply strict punishment is given out. I.E 60 minutes of stairmaster at level 8 at 6am...believe me when these players screw up once that is usually the last time. In the weight room they have someone pushing them at all times as well.
If I left any out please add them. I would also love to hear if any of you disagree on any of these and I would be glad to elaborate on my answers. I have worked in football for over 15 years at all levels so these are not guesses, just incase you were wondering the validity of these. Feel free to ask any additional questions regarding rumors and myths that have been floating around,
All I gotta say is Winston FTW!
Nice OP though.
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If either Bobby Hart or Cam Erving have spent sixty minutes of their entire lives on a stairmaster, I'd be shocked based on the 4th quarter pix. Not that this 43 year-old fitness "guru" could ever beat either of them on a speed rush or any other type of move...
Great OP. Keep the thread going so I can upvote you multiple times.
This post was edited by gonoles2011 13 months ago
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It's not the part where I look at his past play and say Trickett shouldn't start, it is the part where I look at his extremely lackluster genetics.
Football is all about your body type, Trickett suffers a disease that seems to make him unable to build muscle.
My take on this is that If Trickett is deemed to be the best option to win games you play him. If he gets injured than you move on to the next QB. Like I said it is best to hold judgement until at least the spring game, but of course everyone has a right to their opinion. I just havent made mine yet.
The 60 minutes on the stair master is a punishment for a missed requirement. That even include going to breakfast, which is monitored and checked. 60 minutes on a stairmaster will burn 600-800 calories which is easily replaced by a burger from McDonalds. The one thing coaches cant control is what a player eats away from the facility. These guys are on strict weight control and missing your weigh in requirements can either result in extra conditioning or being benched or both. sometimes you wonder how all of a sudden a player drops down the depth chart and it is simply that the player missed weight that week. Being a starter means the coaches can trust the player, this can be on the scale, on the field or in the classroom. This is the main reason you see players with off the charts athleticism but they cant crack the starting lineup. If a coach cant trust you he cant play you!
Please find me an NFL OL that looks like he spends a lot of time on a stairmaster. Cam Erving is probably faster than you in the 40 and would certainly pancake you into tomorrow. I care more about that than his gut.
I completely agree with you, but since you asked.....
Dude's tubby. What's that, a 4 pack? I've got 12.
I somewhat disagree about trickett. If anything he is mostly muscle....he just has a hard time packing on mass and is quite lean.
I hate to say to say it but your reps arguments are either wrong or Jimbo has changed his practices. FSU unlike most NFL teams runs two seperate scrimmages during practice to ulitize more players, increase rep count plus decrease the amount of downtime. FSU will have the Offensive 1s & 3s vs. Defensive 2s & 4s on one side of the fifty while on the other side we'll have the offensive 2s & 4s vs. Defensive 1s & 3s. Fisher will work from the 50 and watch one play then wheel around and watch other field's play while the first group setup for the next play.
If Fisher still runs his practices like this everyone has gotten a bunch of reps.
Yes Fischer does run his practices like this as do many of college football teams now. The trend is even starting to move toward the NFL. The problem is only 1 QB is going with the 1's and this is huge because those are the players that are going to be on the field with you. Also Fischer spends about 90 percent of his time watching the 1's its just the nature of a Offensive minded coach, especially a QB coach. He is usually right around EJ while Damien or Coley was spending the majority of time with the other group. This is very common, like at Oklahoma I dont think Bob Stoops has ever seen the offense practice when the team splits. He spends all of practice with the DB's. Nick Saban does the exact same thing. Also alot of the time Jimbo likes the 1's to be in the stadium while the 2's are on the practice field. This isnt anything to new, coach Bowden was doing this back when jeffy was the OC. The point is that the #1 QB gets most of the Reps/Attention. Now during spring and fall camp the reps can be split a little more evenly, but my point was that we dont know what we have in Trickett or any of the QBs because none of them has received significant starter reps.
I'm not sure that's true. Fisher watches every scrimmaged play since they are both on the same field. Plus watches the entire practice on film again with individual breakouts. The amount of analysis this staff does on each practice would shock you. They watch walkon reps. I guarantee you, Jimbo has seen every practice throw (drill or scrimmage) Winston has made either on tape or live. College is different then the pros since most second string guys end up starters in preceeding years in some cases there is less coaching of first teamers and more of backups due to payback. (How much can you affect in 1st team LB game in the last month of the season while a second team LB is the future of the program.)
I completely understand the evaluation process, but I think you are getting away from my original point. You make a great argument about does each QB have an equal chance to be evaluated by the coaching staff and your points prove this. Thats not what Im talking about though. There have been alot of posters that have stated they have seen Trickett play therefore they are already convinced they have a solid opinion of him. I was just saying I wouldnt make any judgements until all the QBs have had a chance to rotate with the ones and see how they perform in the spring game and even into fall camp.
Gosh, until you set me straight I actually deluded myself into believing that I could hang with Cam or Bobby. Go find your sense of humor and get back to me.
I agree we have no idea how good any of the QBs are. Our sample is so small but it's still fun to read the tea leaves.
Good grief I'm glad Joe Montana and Joe Theisman, Doug Flutie, Bernie Kosar, and Ken Dorsey didn't buy into your opinion. Some QB's can just flat make plays. Maybe Trickett becomes one, maybe not.
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