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Anyone hearing anything at all on this guy? Hopefully he is "asked to retire" right?
I can't fathom all this coaching turnover and him still being here next year.
We expect no change with Trickett's status.
Chris Nee of 247Sports.com. You can follow me on twitter @CNee247.
Would be our luck. That's the one change needed.
@!*%#^%*^&*%$@! Drop and gi' me FIDDY!
It apears RT and his Stogies will be our friend for a while longer. Nobody wants to be the one to tell him to go to the store. I sure don't!
LOL. We have 2 true sophomore guards, 2 tackles that hadn't played a snap of offensive football 18 months ago, and people want Trickett gone. Jesus. #5 in Rushing S&P, and one of the better pass protecting OL units Trickett has had here.
And, because inevitably someone will ask about "push on short yardage", or some other esoteric sportscaster jargon - go watch most of our short yardage plays and ask why Wilder is in the game. The 4th and 1 at VT wasn't the only time he ran at a defender instead of a hole. Devonta should be featured more in those situations.
An extremely young unit that can confidently be called one of the top 10-15 units in the game, and will all return. What more do you want?
And to follow up - if we had a more physically capable center we'd run the ball on anyone. Stork gets manhandled by good DTs.
Oh - and don't forget - their success is despite QB play that runs them into poor-number situations.
On Stork: Canolee's analyses certainly don't back this up. Canolee's opinion isn't the only one that counts, of course, but he is the one watching all that film. So I guess that, while I buy that Stork is less dominant than others, I don't buy that he's getting blown up.
He's been here for 5 or 6 years. He's had time recruit guys that are capable of doing a premier job. Youth is not a legitimate argument. We have the same issues every year. We could do worse than Trickett, but we could also do better.
Well I actually wasn't starting this thread to debate whether he is being successful here or not, because my opinion won't change on that. I really wanted to see if anyone had heard anything regarding his future... but since you brought it up....
In 6 years (he's been here 6 years, right?) on average, how have his units performed against above average defenses? List the games against above average defenses where we have been able to run and pass block consistently.
I can only name one game off the top of my head to be honest, and that is the 2010 bowl game vs South Carolina.
And please don't tout current rushing stats as evidence that he is doing a good job here, because it has come against some of the weakest competition in the country. See VT and UF games. That is par for the course for how his units perform against decent defenses.
He may have some talent here finally, but we still have no depth and we still have been manhandled vs good defenses.
OK. This is one of those things where I say Trickett haters are clueless and need to STFU.
You have no idea what goes on and how things get done.
Rick Trickett is an asset. You want info, find me when I'm in Tally.
Okay? What games will you be attending next year?
Can't you at least tell me/some of us why we should give him the benefit of the doubt? I am not trying to argue. You don't have to go into great detail, but I am not seeing how he is such an asset.
I like the guy too.. Like his personality, we are from the same state, yada yada, but I am just going by what I see on gameday.
Too many variables to clearly pinpoint and assign 100% blame.
Fishers timing is probably as much to blame as Trickett's line... Running in the wrong situations… Running when the defense is in a clear advantage position to stop it… Failing to make adjustments and account for the team’s weaknesses…
In situations like this, you don't get bogged down in the details trying to assign blame… you step back and assess it from a distance, from the outside-in.
In 6-years, we have never had an offense that is consistently competitive vs. good teams... and we’ve never had an offense that can consistently beat the teams we are supposed to dominate (despite fielding dominant players).
In my opinion, that’s all there is to the story. Fisher and Trickett have proven that they do not have a synergistic OR a symbiotic relationship… which means change should happen now. No ones to blame. It doesn’t matter if Fisher is the best OC in football and Trickett is the best OL coach in college football, the marriage of the two isn’t working… A divorce needs to happen for the good of both of their careers, before they drive each other off the cliff.
Trickett was great to come in and overhaul the program because we had a bunch of marshmallows when he came in but he has been terrible since ~2010. Highest paid OL coach in America and just not producing. That's on the AD, grow a pair.
Forever, your post would fit a 3-8 team, not a 10-2 one. I agree completely that FSU has underachieved in important ways under Fisher. I agree that Trickett has not produced any dominant offensive lines.
But the marriage has not been an utter failure. If Trickett left, I'd probably be happy--though Greek's endorsement carries weight with me. But I wouldn't be happy because I was hoping for the end of an unmitigated failure of our offense. I'd be happy because I'd hope for a moderately underachieving offense to live up to its potential.
But I can imagine lots of coaches doing worse. Lots.
I disagree. You have to net your talent against your opponents talent when assessing.... Records mean very little when 90% of your games are against teams in the bottom half of division 1 (or even division 2)..
Hard to celebrate a 10-2 season in the ACC... when it almost certainly would be a 8-4 or 7-5 in the SEC.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by FsuFanForever 20 months ago
You are comparing the incomparable, we finished 10-2 and lost to Florida that doesn't = an 8-4 or 7-5 record in the SEC. Alot of different things would come into play. In all likelihood FSU would have the same record it does now playing Floridas schedule. You are as good as your record says you are.
So Kent State would be 11-1 in the SEC as well??
And that is the crux of the problem:
There aren't a lot of coaches doing worse with:
a) our level of talent
b) our weak schedule
Weighing those two things... he has proven that he is a great recruiter and is an average football coach at best.
This post was edited by FsuFanForever 20 months ago
You're also over stating our talent.
Top recruiting classes equal talented future, not talented now.
This can't be said enough. The 2010 class is just juniors now. 2011 and 2012 were even better.
People also act like Florida isn't talented. 2009 and 2010 classes are now experienced, and guess what? They have 5 five stars from those two classes starting. On DEFENSE. with 5 star red shirt senior Hunter backing up.
Forever, where I agree with you is that we have looked "meh" this year.
I think our record looks better than our team has looked on the field. As I've said before, I think we looked like an explosive offensive team for exactly one half this year. The rest of the year, we looked just-OK.
On defense, it's been the same story. Lots of 3-and-outs, precious few big plays. And yes, I agree that we are good for giving up the first drive of the game against most offenses, and if the game is close, we hand you a late touchdown almost every time.
Meh, meh, meh.
But not unmitigated failure.
That's what frustrates me. One more top class, a maturation of 2011,2012 classes, and a little continuity and You're in a groove.
2012 - #6
2011 - #2
2010 - #10
2009 - #7
2008 - #9
2007 - #21
2006 - #3
2005 - #2
2004 - #4
One year outside of the top 10, over the past 9-years? Is that 2007 class still haunting us? I just think of Josh's argument that the three letters mean a ton when recruiting... If that is the case and we can plug-in play as coach, you have to weigh Jimbo's coaching more than his recruiting... and that is when it's clear, we aren't leveraging our talent.
you say this about every coach
fact is Trickett is in charge of the OL and it has been bad the last two years
stop with this behind the scenes BS
In all due respect, ive seen him call out the coaches before.
The problem is that great coaches can yield poor to average results if their systems do not meld
Just like when the best writer, best producer, and best director come together and end up with a bad movie (john carter)
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