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Fred Rouse 5* and Christian Ponder 3*..... one thing I learn about recruiting is that stars doesn't matter anymore it's about coaching. So if a kid doesn't want to come to FSU so what us fans shouldn't worry about half don't pan out anyway
That's not necessarily true. The biggest difference between Rouse and Ponder were their intelegence levels. These rankings are based on athletism and they're fairly accurate in that regard. It's up to the coaches to find the high character, elite athletes.
Stars aren't the end all be all, but they do matter to an extent. You give me a team of 5 stars vs a team of 3 stars, and I'll win most every time. For every Fred Rouse, you can name 5 guys that did pan out. The key to recruiting is having your bell cow recruits, but also being able to scout guys correctly that national "experts" haven't gotten a pulse on, like we have with guys like Rodney Hudson, Amp McCloud, Xavier Rhodes.
"A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt. "
You have to recruit guys with high talent and high character. Stars mainly grade on talent.
23,000 dolphins are killed every year in Japan. For pest control. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KRD8e20fBo
If only Alabama had some 4 and 5 star players, they might be amazing. Oh wait, the entire Alabama team is 4 and 5 star players. Just like the Gators when they were winning titles and USC before that and FSU before that. Stars matter. You might get a few 3* guys that turn out to be great, but in today's world it is not as likely as it used to be.
There is data out there that absolutely proves that stars matter. Teams that recruit more 4 and 5 stars are better, and therefore win more football games.
Anyone can call out a 3* kid who succeeded because there are million of them out there, and much less 5* busts
I think you learn [sic] that wrong.
Stars matter to a certain extent. It means the talent is there from the start. The intangibles (character, intelligence, maturity, etc.) are where things can get tricky.
Let's use (3) examples:
1- Christian Ponder- decent talent out of high school. Kid comes to college works hard athletically, works hard in the film room, works hard in the classroom, and has a high level of maturity. Guy gets drafted in the first round of the NFL draft.
2- Fred Rouse- amazing talent out of high school. Comes to college, has a little too much fun, put himself in bad situations, and lacks maturity. The guy will probably never be in the NFL.
3- Lamarcus Joyner- Freak of nature in terms of talent coming out of high school. Guy comes to college, takes the classroom serious enough, takes the film study serious enough, and has a high level of maturity. The guy more than likely will/should be a first round pick in the NFL.
God gives you the talent (or the ability to have talent). What you do with it is your choice and responsibility.
"Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers
IMO Joyner is going in round 3-4
The point I was trying to make was( Yes 5* 4* players are great) but if the coaching staff don't develop them to the best of there ability then it's pointless
Grobe is a damn good coach, but he'll never have a national championship team. 5 stars aren't everything, but if they meant nothing Alabama, USC and teams like them wouldn't be at the top all the time..
The issue I have with stars is that the people in charge of assigning the stars never watch game film.
The stars show the high end ceiling of a prospect, nothing about intelligence, consistency, not character.
The 5* busts are not few, there are a lot.
I will venture to say that there are more 5s that come out of the 3* class then there are five stars. In sheer numbers.
That's not to say the 5* rating doesn't matter, but it does mean that sometimes you just have to leave it to the coaches.
Ed Reed was a 2*
Miami's response to horrific recruiting last 3 years.
Your right because Bama,Florida,LSU, Texas, and USC did not have any 4 and 5 star players when they won the NC!!!
I'll text the team and let them know they're walking into an ambush, and the future Baltimore Raven defense is waiting for them.
There's a reason teams spend 100s of 1000s of dollars annually to get these guys.
Oh they, did. And well paid ones too.
Wait, didn't USC vacate their title?
The NCAA didn't use the kay's standard issue neuralyzer to erase your memory?
Don't let them know, they will flashy-thing you.
No offense to the people of Noles247(you do a great job) but a lot of the people that put together these rankings have never played a down of football in there lives. Not to mention it's tough to gauge how great a player can be at a big time college football program while playing in high school at any level. As the saying goes, hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
Kenny Powers: "A true champion will do whatever it takes to rise above. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."
Its actually been proven that rankings do matter. Of course anyone can pull up the arbitrary "Joe Smith was a 5* and he didn't pan out, and John Smith was a 3* and is great" argument. But I prefer statistics, and statistics show that championship winning teams fare better on the recruiting trail
You must be joking.What is your point???Your off the topic. They still had 4 and 5 star recruits and won!!!
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Bmaster35 18 months ago
Off topic? You don't say!
I'm not saying 4 and 5 star recruits aren't good to have.
I'm saying there aren't that many 5*, and more 3* go one to play int he NFL than 5*. Not as a percentage, but in sheer numbers.
So you compete for those 5*, but you better be able to find great talent not yet discovered.
Like Bama,LSU, Florida,Texas and USC do every year?!?!? They all look for yet discovered talent?? I thought most of there recruits are 4 and 5 star???Your still of topic, stars do matter. Take a look at the past ESPN 150 and the NFL draft. Stars matter!!! Name a NC in the last 10 years that did not have 4 and 5 star recruits?!?! Let me help you out.....the answer is ZERO!!
Reread my message, because you obviously are lacking in comprehension.
Line 3, specifically. There aren't THAT many 5 stars every year. I didn't mention 4 stars.
You better find other players to fill the roster.
USC doesn't have the scholarships, and yes, the other schools find 3 stars all the time.
You must be drunk. In my first post I said 4 and 5 star players so you cant read. Maybe you should tell Jimbo to stop recruiting these 4 and 5 star players because one three star player in our the past turned out to be better than a 5 star!!! All schools take some 3 star players because they cant get all the 4 and 5 star players!! You keep bringing up USC....for what??? Why not Bama,LSU and Florida???? Stars matter. Maybe you think 247 and ESPN don't know what they are talking about??? If you want to be a fan of a 3 star team go root for South Florida!!
Your not winning NC with yet discovered talent!! The past NC like Bama,USC,Florida,LSU and Texas did not have any "yet discovered talent"!!!! You cant name a team that has won the NC with a few 4 stars players and bunch of three star players because it has not happened and its never going to happen!!
This post was edited by Bmaster35 18 months ago
Obviously. Developing 4/5*'s is better than developing 2/3*'s.
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