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I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be
reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics.
Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:
In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:
1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni
view us as more football oriented than the ACC
2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages
basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools
3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU
4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be
$2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be
But, in contrast:
1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the
blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share
conference and this applies to football and to basketball there is no
preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier
rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by
that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.
2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in
part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has
considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say
this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the
Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas
would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it
would be interesting to see the fan reaction.
3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which
hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas
schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas
centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely
scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West
Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one
more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship
game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to
most games the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to
be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract
actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with
the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any
renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other
new team to the Big 12.
4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of
these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue.
5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our
6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC we have no idea
where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters
which currently are unable to support our current University athletic
budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.
7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is
academically weaker and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2%
($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from
concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M)
gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms
of its successful future.
I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so
simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One
of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates
their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation
be governed by emotion it has to be based on a careful assessment of
athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of
conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must
be a reasoned decision.
This post was edited by Corey Dowlar 23 months ago
i am done following these "rumors" and "statements" and will re-engage when something concrete happens...
According to their fans, excess travel costs will be absorbed by the conference not FSU. They could certainly be wrong but I also think Barron is not on the pulse with this. I guess we will find out if a formal offer is tendered.
The 25% loss of the academic budget has nothing to do with our conference. He and FSU lobbyists were asleep at the wheel when the new land grant university took plunder from the in-state schools on a bill proposed by Ben Hill Griffin's grandson.
I still have yet to see Barron present a cogent argument about why conference affiliation is so important to our academic future yet it has been a staple of his adamant loyalty to the ACC since he arrived on campus.
WARNING: Text above may cause dizziness, nausea, cognitive decline, and/or a burning sensation. Read at your own risk.
I wonder how many people it took to draft that email...
So far he hasn't done much damage if any at all but I sense some ignorance in this man that may cause major issues down the road.
Surprised on the coverage of this Big 12 stuff on this site. It is through the roof on other sites, yet the mods her post a link to website here and there make no comments really are mum on the whole subject. Kinda odd to me
The way the FSU brass has handled this entire situation is embarrassing and bizarre. In fairness, most teams involved with expansion rumors have done the same, but this reeks of chaos going on between the admins and BOT, Jimbo, etc. with no one being on the same page.
I just wish everyone would hush on FSU's side and do all of their homework (by this, I mean concrete #'s on the $ differences) and negotiating behind closed doors and make the best decision for the school and move on.
When Colorado and Nebraska left, that statement may have been partially true; when a&m and Missouri left, that statement is entirely false. The Big12 agreed to equal revenue sharing of all tier 1 and 2 rights (in an effort to keep Missouri from leaving), which are the only rights covered by the television contracts. Each school controls its own television rights regarding tier 3.
Also, comparing any team's resources to that of Texas' is outrageous. Texas Football pulled in nearly $100 million last season, the second highest was just over $70 million. Oklahoma is the 10th most profitable program in the country at $58+ million taken in. They have done just fine against Texas recently. The first ACC schools would be V.Tech Football $31mil and Duke Basketball $27mil.
That entire email was embarrassing. Not shocking though considering the way FSU has handled the last week has been totally embarrassing and incompetent. It would be good if everybody would just shut up right now instead of sending 30 different mixed signals. Notice how Clemson's BOT chair just came out with a statement today saying that speaking about things that are indefinite does nobody any good.
This also just goes to show how handicapped FSU by having a horrible athletic director that is just a puppet.
This is a joke right? This is about fsu athletics and not academics. He needs to work on the budget for the school ( his job ) and let the big boys find a solution to the athletic short comings. If he Barron is incapable of this, bring in someome who can get the job done. So far he has FAILED...
It appears we got a fight brewing as expected . The BOTs need to stand their ground. Our President is basically another Donna Shalalla lol...And Please spare us with this Higher Institute BS. Degrees from FSU are dime a dozen ...
Did you happen to catch the part where not only belittled B12 academics, but did it on behalf of the entire faculty?
Other sites have gotten embarrassed in the past for not exercising restraint.
That email is both disingenuous and ignorant. Barron has some stones correcting Haggard when he himself is woefully misinformed as well.
I don't think I'm giving any more money to this university until I can be assured it's spent wisely. The people in charge shouldn't be running a lawncare service much less a university.
Coverage is coverage, I do9n't see how the folks who run this site expressing their opinions would be embarrassing. This same letter has 200+ comments on another site, with the mod breaking every part of it down, yet I pay money here.
#7 makes me the most angry.
He basically called out the boosters. You know, the guys that pay for stuff.
Wait until people start threatening to stop donating.
"Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers
This is getting embarassing.
This post was edited by PanicFSU 23 months ago
I think it is a credit to the staff here that they only report the facts and not rumors. As of now, these are just rumors. If Josh, Corey or Tom start posting that we are moving to the Big 12 then I will believe it.
23,000 dolphins are killed every year in Japan. For pest control. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KRD8e20fBo
Just shut up already. You are making fsu look like fools.
I did Willy, it almost appears that he is trying to embarrass The Big 12 guys so they won't offer us an invite.
I guess I just need to calm down and enjoy this spat, afterall, I just learned from Barron, that I have one of the most prestigious degrees in the south lol...
Would you rather have them pester someone about a completely hypothetical situation until the person makes a statement on the record that sends everyone into a tizzy and starts a sh!tstorm? Not that that happened...
I'm not sure how any mod is going to provide anything more then opinion. No one has the answers to the situation so to go out and make comments is putting themselves out more then they may want to professionally... No one wants to be held accountable for something that is so up in the air, or burn bridges with connections they have.
Just my 2 cents
FSU -->----->> The Unconquered Uprising
Alright who hacked His email account ?
He cannot be that Stupid. He just....can't....be....
Dot runs a subscriber bait circus on these kind of issues. That is a completely different product. In the end, he can deny that his information was made up and say that everything fell apart at the 11th hour. It makes for good entertaining reading I'll give you that but it is substanceless.
If this is a real letter from Barron, it is an unprofessional and one sided disgrace. I hate to confuse this nonsense with reality but
1. So what? You gave up your third tier rights for much less money than the Big 12 in an ACC contract that does not get to $17 million until 2021.
2. So what? If FSU stays in the ACC, EVERY TEAM IN THE SEC may be getting $10 million+ more than FSU. UT's only advantage is outside Tier 1 & 2 rights and are only an advantage because of the value of the UT franchise. UT's football team is 13-12 over the last two seasons and they only have two conference football championships in the 14 years since Brown arrived so they clearly do not know how to translate $ into championships. Nebraska and A&M were the big advocates for unequal revenue sharing on Tiers 1 & 2 which has disappeared since they left.
3. $2.9 million? Barron conveniently ignores the severe escalation curve and the much longer term of the ACC deal as well as the targets that have to be met to trigger the $17 million. He also leaves out the step up Big 12 teams would receive from adding FSU and other teams, the championship game add on and the reality that attendance would very likely escalate with higher football quality Big 12 teams despite his notions to the contrary.
At a minimum, FSU would be playing UT or OU every year and it would make huge sense for FSU to be in a division with one of them and playing the other as a designated rival each year. Even if the division Barron suggests was real, FSU should have a cake walk to the final 4. He conveniently leaves out the likely reality that 1 to 3 other ACC teams would likely be following FSU to the Big 12.
The travel nonsense is a total canard. FSU would have no problem negotiating a subsidy for the difference between their ACC travel and Big 12 travel. The Big 12 teams would also be traveling to play WVU, FSU and any other ACC members who join.
4. Yeah, right. The attendance would be the same with real quality football teams instead of basketball schools with football teams.
5. There is no reason to give up the UM rivalry to play Murray St. and Savannah St.
6. The exit fee is negotiable with both the ACC and the Big 12 and the long term benefits would far outweigh the cost. TCU and WVU figured that one out even with the existing Big 12 contract that is significantly less than the new one.
7. How is the faculty in any way adversely affected by FSU moving to the Big 12? They might realize a huge benefit from the extra direct or indirect revenue the Big 12 would bring. How does staying in the ACC solve any of FSU budget issues?
Yes it should be a reasoned decision but it is clear that Barron is inventing canards to justify maintaining the FALSE ILLUSION of higher academic standing for FSU in the ACC.
As an FSU alum, I hope Haggard and the BOT have the stones to ignore Barron if this kindergarten thinking is real.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by InsightTexas 23 months ago
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