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Perception of Bama Recruiting and BOL

  • Hey all, coming in peace here. I was posting on the J. Winston thread and since it's been deemed VIP I can't see many of your posts; I thought I would just come up with another thread where I can get your views on various topics. I think we can all agree Bama and FSU have been on a collision course for some time now and the 1st step of that impending collision seems to be over recruits. Let's hope this gets settled on the field pretty soon in the upcoming season(s).

    So some of things that I've observed is that Bama fans are delusional and arrogant, the BOL website pumps out propaganda, and Bama should give up recruiting J. Winston Regarding the fans, everyone fan base has their over the edge fans...not going to argue that. But for the most part, Bama fans are no worse than any other major program located in the South. But again, not going to argue whose fan base is more arrogant or delusional unless some one can show me a journal article that outlines a study where it takes the opinions of thousands of fans and measured their "delusiveness". It's all opinion to me.

    As I mentioned before, there were statements that mentioned BOL is some sort of Bama propaganda machine that pumps out false information. I joined earlier this year and cannot firmly say that I've read some piece that was written by one of those mods that can be considered false information. It's their job to give their opinion on where some one is leaning so they give percentages based on the recruit's words or actions and other sources (e.g. family, friends, coaches, etc). Hell, we all want to know if a big time recruit is leaning toward our school. Tracy Howard anyone??? Now if some one can show me they were pumping out the proganda before then, PM me.

    Bama recruiting...I've only seen one comment that centered around Bama should stop b/c J. Winston has already made his decision. That's not going to happen. He's the #1 rated QB in the country, a five star athlete, has a 4.0 GPA (I think), and lives 40 minutes from T-Town. Ask yourself this question, if you were a coach at a major program would you not recruit a player with those assets who lived that freakin' close to you? I know I would!

    Thoughts???

  • Apparently, your mods think Winston is 50-50 between us and bama. Here is a kid that is committed to FSU, who has visited bama many times, whose family and the recruit has repeatedly said they are solid to FSU after each visit. Does that sound like a recruit that bama has a 50% chance at? Now I am not saying that he will definitely sign for FSU, because anything can happen with recruiting, but.....
    That is why some FSU fans call your fans delusional and arrogant and say your mods are spewing propaganda. Personally, I just enjoy the ride of recruiting and will be happy to see who we actually get on campus and which of those turn out to be elite players.

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  • fsufool said... (original post)

    Apparently, your mods think Winston is 50-50 between us and bama. Here is a kid that is committed to FSU, who has visited bama many times, whose family and the recruit has repeatedly said they are solid to FSU after each visit. Does that sound like a recruit that bama has a 50% chance at? Now I am not saying that he will definitely sign for FSU, because anything can happen with recruiting, but..... That is why some FSU fans call your fans delusional and arrogant and say your mods are spewing propaganda. Personally, I just enjoy the ride of recruiting and will be happy to see who we actually get on campus and which of those turn out to be elite players.

    Correction, the story by the BOL mods said Bama was "at worst" 50-50. Meaning they think they are the favorite to get him.

    "It's not the SEC conference vs. the ACC conference," "It's Florida State vs. Auburn." --Lamarcus Joyner

  • The feelings toward recruiting against the state of Alabama didn't all pop up when Winston committed. The Julio situation a few years ago among others have created a distaste for Bama recruiting. Not sure if this makes you feel better but I don't care for Auburn's recruiting either with some crap they've pulled off like Corey Lemonier. I don't speak for everyone, that's JMO of why that's what you are reading.

    As for BOL, I think every one of these sites can be a mini propaganda machine. Bama fans have been sippin the cool aid pretty hard lately and I'm pretty sure 48 states agreed that a team who didn't even play for their conference championship shouldn't be there. You guys have benefited from the real propaganda machine in ESPN convincing the country that the sun rises and sets somewhere in the SEC West. If I was a Bama fan, I would just be grateful that my team was given a second chance to beat a team in one year.

    Please do keep this peaceful. There are enough jackasses who wander over here daily as it is.

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  • I read the same thread...

    I think your perception is a little off. The majority of the people here don't expect Bama or any other school in the country to stop recruiting any recruit. That's just not how recruiting works. What we found interesting is what is stated above...the article said Bama is at worst 50/50 with Winston. I get you're a Bama fan but think about that for a second and then tell us if you truly believe that based on all of the information out there, not just what comes from BOL.

    Second, many of us here have lurked your board and seen the plethora of negative comments about FSU when it comes to recruits out of Alabama. Craig must be dirty. If Craig is dirty he must have the OK from Fisher so Fisher is obviously dirty. Yada Yada Yada. (Seinfeld plug) Basically, some of you think that a recruit just doesn't "want" to go to FSU and that we must be cheating to pull top Alabama recruits away from Bama and Auburn. Now as you said, we know not all fans are like that. It's quite possible the more grounded posters steer clear of that type or drama.

    And there you have the reasons for some of the resentment. Also, 2007!

  • I have friends, clients and acquaintances from other schools in the Southeast besides Alabama - as well as many that are Tide peopls. There is a very strong perception that Alabama is one of the biggest cheaters in the nation - they cite the witness of the various sanctions Bama has undergone (Coach Phat Phil anyone), and the threats they've used against players families to either secure a commitment or reward a commitment.

    I have no proof of any of this, and when I ask folks to cite specifics - they mostly demure with the exception of the Fulmer/Bama/NCAA stuff.

    However, in our society, perception is reality to most people, and when a source close to your sensibilities - BOL - tells you - Bama Fan - that JW is AT WORST 50-50, then of course you more than half believe it.

    I had a HS team mate that was recruited by and played for the Bear back in the day. The stories he told me of what went on during that process would these day, prolly secure the death penalty for most programs - if the NCAA had the sack to inculcate it that is, which I highly doubt.

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  • LocalNole said... (original post)

    The feelings toward recruiting against the state of Alabama didn't all pop up when Winston committed. The Julio situation a few years ago among others have created a distaste for Bama recruiting. Not sure if this makes you feel better but I don't care for Auburn's recruiting either with some crap they've pulled off like Corey Lemonier. I don't speak for everyone, that's JMO of why that's what you are reading.

    As for BOL, I think every one of these sites can be a mini propaganda machine. Bama fans have been sippin the cool aid pretty hard lately and I'm pretty sure 48 states agreed that a team who didn't even play for their conference championship shouldn't be there. You guys have benefited from the real propaganda machine in ESPN convincing the country that the sun rises and sets somewhere in the SEC West. If I was a Bama fan, I would just be grateful that my team was given a second chance to beat a team in one year.

    Please do keep this peaceful. There are enough jackasses who wander over here daily as it is.

    Thanks for giving me your insight. No worries, it's my job to keep the peace since I'm writing on your board. Just to respond to a couple of your points...yes, I agree the perception of the Barn is that they are dirty recruiters. IMHO, there's too much smoke for some of this not be true (e.g. Cory Lemonier taking a picture in new car, a WR recruit tweeting a picture holding up money, etc.). But I can't say 100% as I have not personally witnessed or know the background any of said events. But my gut tells me somethings going on.

    Regarding the BOL mods and other 247Sports mods, I think they do their best to sell subscriptions. Actually what lured me to the site was a recruiting article they made publicly available. I thought it was informative and seemed rather fact based. Can't fully remember, but if they even stated a Bama recruit was leaning one way or the other, they always put a disclaimer on their information. I just always remember these are highschool kids and they change their minds like which fast food place makes the best burgers...I personally like Wendy's myself.

    Yes, feel very blessed that a lot of things happened that put Bama playing for it's 2nd national title in 3 years (e.g. Okie St. losing to a 6-6 Iow St., being ranked #3 in the country after a tough loss, Oklahoma losing, etc.). It's unprecedented and I'll surely take it. I do think Bama is one of the 2 top teams in the country, so I have no problems. If you were in the same situation with FSU would you think otherwise?

  • Ok so you create a topic and ask for our views on various topics. Then you talk about Bama fans not being delusional, but at the end you say, to even question that Bama fans are delusional, we have to show you a published study on thousands of fans that tests if they are delusional. It looks to me that your mind is made up or that you are trolling. Then you offer your experience as proof that BOL doesnt pump out propaganda; thats anecdotal and cant be used as proof. But it doesnt matter because if we do have proof of propaganda then we can just PM you instead of posting it. Again it looks like your mind is made up.

    Alos, you said you joined BOL earlier this year so you havent experiecned the crazy part of the recruiting season. And its only going to get worse between now and signing day. This time of year every recruiting site posts articles slanted(maybe even propaganda) to their fan base to get more hits and subs. As fans we want to think that most of these big time recruits want to play for our team and these site give us that hope.

    I dont read BOL so i dont know what is said there but i think LocalNole and Semmineer do a great job of pointing out the slant in the BOL articles.

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  • In response to semineer...

    Agreed, it's probably a little off since I couldn't grasp the full content of the thread since I'm not a member here, which is why I started this thread. I can tell you why I think there's a bit of smoke with J. Winston. I went through the J. Clowney recruitment last year and one of the things he stated in a couple of interviews was his desire for his mother to see all of his games, which clearly gave South Carolina an advantage. Many of recruits have the same wish for their families and it's probably not out of the realm of possibility that J. Winston may think this. Another reason is Saban. No matter how you veiw the guy he's an excellent recruiter and seems to having his best recruiting year. Imagine being able to pull Eddie Goldman, Landon Collins, and possibly Jameis Winston who all just happen to be 5-stars to go along with the three 5-stars that's already committed. You know he's selling that to all recruits to be a part of something special. Hell, all coaches sell the being part of something special routine...either maintaining it or getting to a certain statndard. He also is being pressured by really great/good players to chose Bama and probably not just recents committs; that list probably includes current players, former players, family, friends, etc. But in the end, no one knows what a recruit is thinking except himself. And even that changes in a heartbeat.

    Yeap, totally agree on Craig on what Bama fans think of him. Just know where that's grounded. Craig is a former Barner, and in Alabama, once a Barner always a Barner. And it's all personal! LOL!!!

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  • How confident is Bama in pulling Goldman - b/c FSU is very confident on this front also...?

    "England expects that every man will do his duty." - Vice Admiral Horatio Nelson, Royal Navy

  • Fantomex said... (original post)

    Ok so you create a topic and ask for our views on various topics. Then you talk about Bama fans not being delusional, but at the end you say, to even question that Bama fans are delusional, we have to show you a published study on thousands of fans that tests if they are delusional. It looks to me that your mind is made up or that you are trolling. Then you offer your experience as proof that BOL doesnt pump out propaganda; thats anecdotal and cant be used as proof. But it doesnt matter because if we do have proof of propaganda then we can just PM you instead of posting it. Again it looks like your mind is made up.

    Alos, you said you joined BOL earlier this year so you havent experiecned the crazy part of the recruiting season. And its only going to get worse between now and signing day. This time of year every recruiting site posts articles slanted(maybe even propaganda) to their fan base to get more hits and subs. As fans we want to think that most of these big time recruits want to play for our team and these site give us that hope.

    I dont read BOL so i dont know what is said there but i think LocalNole and Semmineer do a great job of pointing out the slant in the BOL articles.

    First of all, not trolling my friend. I've admitted I'm a Bama fan and have stated I come in peace. I don't think I've been derogatory in my comments about FSU and if I have I apologize. Just curious about some of the comments I read, that's all.

    My point about delusional fans is that people go saying this fan base or that fan base is crazy based on a couple of isolated incidedents. And to say Bama fans are more crazy than FSU fans, Florida fans, or LSU fans is a matter of opinion.

    Agree on my experience as 100% proof that the mods are not pumpers, which is why I stated my length of time at BOL. I was just giving you a BOL subscriber's opinion on what they've seen in the last couple of months. But if you want to post it to a thread that study, by all means go ahead. That would probably be an interesting read. Actually when I typed it I thought it would be a good idea for a thesis.

    To address you statement on slants, the mods admit to us if it's not looking good for us regarding a recruit. Although we had a meltdown, it was not expected J. Winston would announce for us. That came straight from the mods. We knew were behind in the Eddie Goldman stakes. But the only thing I can do is look at the recent and future articles until signing day and see if those slants are present.

  • SwoNole9 said... (original post)

    How confident is Bama in pulling Goldman - b/c FSU is very confident on this front also...?

    LOL!!! I was told to keep the peace. argue

    But......I would say very confident at this point. All the Bama sites I've been to think he's going to announce for us. I've also heard he's not announcing until signing day so that's a very long time for a kid to change his mind.

  • Nashnole said... (original post)

    I have friends, clients and acquaintances from other schools in the Southeast besides Alabama - as well as many that are Tide peopls. There is a very strong perception that Alabama is one of the biggest cheaters in the nation - they cite the witness of the various sanctions Bama has undergone (Coach Phat Phil anyone), and the threats they've used against players families to either secure a commitment or reward a commitment.

    I have no proof of any of this, and when I ask folks to cite specifics - they mostly demure with the exception of the Fulmer/Bama/NCAA stuff.

    However, in our society, perception is reality to most people, and when a source close to your sensibilities - BOL - tells you - Bama Fan - that JW is AT WORST 50-50, then of course you more than half believe it.

    I had a HS team mate that was recruited by and played for the Bear back in the day. The stories he told me of what went on during that process would these day, prolly secure the death penalty for most programs - if the NCAA had the sack to inculcate it that is, which I highly doubt.

    Agree on all the things that's happened the past couple of decades regarding the perception of Bama cheating. No arguement from me on that. And please don't mention Phat Phil. And yes, I agree with your point that some people may believe that a particular recruit is leaning toward a program based on information written in an article. But to be fair to them, if those mods were wrong 100% on their predictions, they wouldn't believe one word that was written. From my limited time there, they seem to do a good job on reading a recruit's intentions on where they're leaning in regards to the day they announce. Don't have percentages to give but they seem to be right on. And yeah about the Bear. That man wanted to win above everything else. My dad talks about how he hoarded players just to keep them from other teams. Things sure have changed except the NCAA having balls! Example: Ohio State!

  • J Kirkpatrick said... (original post)

    LOL!!! I was told to keep the peace. argue

    But......I would say very confident at this point. All the Bama sites I've been to think he's going to announce for us. I've also heard he's not announcing until signing day so that's a very long time for a kid to change his mind.

    Big mistake, if true (and I don't believe it is). Kid is a phenomenal pass rusher and he would be making a huge mistake playing nose (despite Saban's "promise" that he can play DE on some passing downs) in the 3-4. Simple fact is he will have an opportunity to post much better numbers and highlights in our defense playing against ACC offenses.

    "It's not the SEC conference vs. the ACC conference," "It's Florida State vs. Auburn." --Lamarcus Joyner

  • J Kirkpatrick said... (original post)

    LOL!!! I was told to keep the peace. argue

    But......I would say very confident at this point. All the Bama sites I've been to think he's going to announce for us. I've also heard he's not announcing until signing day so that's a very long time for a kid to change his mind.

    And, again, this begs the question; "who doesn't Bama think it leads for?" Only those that commit elsewhere, and those guys suddenly become guys Bama didn't either want or have room for.

    "It's not the SEC conference vs. the ACC conference," "It's Florida State vs. Auburn." --Lamarcus Joyner

  • Cuthbert said... (original post)

    Big mistake, if true (and I don't believe it is). Kid is a phenomenal pass rusher and he would be making a huge mistake playing nose (despite Saban's "promise" that he can play DE on some passing downs) in the 3-4. Simple fact is he will have an opportunity to post much better numbers and highlights in our defense playing against ACC offenses.

    Yeah, he may post better numbers at FSU...I can definitely see that. But Bama's 3 down lineman first job is containment and holding up blockers. Once they've done that then they rush the passer, which is the reason why Bama will probably never lead the country in sacks. But the defense will always be tops against the rush. This year's group is so disciplined in that manner.

    Now I can say without a doubt Eddie Goldman will move around like most defensive lineman his size. The only person who didn't move around was Chapman our starting nose tackle. Everyone moved around and took turns on the ends as well as the nose tackle. But if you look at the Bama line, you should notice Eddie would not fit our prototypical nose tackle, so his time would definetely be limited there. That's the reason why Saban went after Taylor b/c he does fit that big nose tackle to take up two blockers at a time.

    If I were you I would just sit down and watch a Bama game and only when they're on defense. If you love football like I do you'll see it's a thing of beauty. Yeah, I know I'm biased, but when you hold opponenets to like 40 yards rushing you can't tell me that's not impressive.

    Sometimes it not about individual accolades and more about playing as a unit and winning as a team.

  • Cuthbert said... (original post)

    And, again, this begs the question; "who doesn't Bama think it leads for?" Only those that commit elsewhere, and those guys suddenly become guys Bama didn't either want or have room for.

    I gathered from the article that Bama has a about a 50/50 split with some of these big time recruits. And you have to admit some of this could just be the result of having some momentum. Whenever you have some big time recruits hitting your program other recruits are bound to take notice. And it doesn't hurt that you're playing for this year's title.

  • J Kirkpatrick said... (original post)

    Hey all, coming in peace here. I was posting on the J. Winston thread and since it's been deemed VIP I can't see many of your posts; I thought I would just come up with another thread where I can get your views on various topics. I think we can all agree Bama and FSU have been on a collision course for some time now and the 1st step of that impending collision seems to be over recruits. Let's hope this gets settled on the field pretty soon in the upcoming season(s).

    So some of things that I've observed is that Bama fans are delusional and arrogant, the BOL website pumps out propaganda, and Bama should give up recruiting J. Winston Regarding the fans, everyone fan base has their over the edge fans...not going to argue that. But for the most part, Bama fans are no worse than any other major program located in the South. But again, not going to argue whose fan base is more arrogant or delusional unless some one can show me a journal article that outlines a study where it takes the opinions of thousands of fans and measured their "delusiveness". It's all opinion to me.

    As I mentioned before, there were statements that mentioned BOL is some sort of Bama propaganda machine that pumps out false information. I joined earlier this year and cannot firmly say that I've read some piece that was written by one of those mods that can be considered false information. It's their job to give their opinion on where some one is leaning so they give percentages based on the recruit's words or actions and other sources (e.g. family, friends, coaches, etc). Hell, we all want to know if a big time recruit is leaning toward our school. Tracy Howard anyone??? Now if some one can show me they were pumping out the proganda before then, PM me.

    Bama recruiting...I've only seen one comment that centered around Bama should stop b/c J. Winston has already made his decision. That's not going to happen. He's the #1 rated QB in the country, a five star athlete, has a 4.0 GPA (I think), and lives 40 minutes from T-Town. Ask yourself this question, if you were a coach at a major program would you not recruit a player with those assets who lived that freakin' close to you? I know I would!

    Thoughts???

    I personally think most Alabama fans are annoying. But, there is also the issue of people (i.e FSU fans) conceptualizing reality via their experiences with "fans" on the internet.

    Its kind of like the movie "Crash". For example, when all your experiences with black people are negative, more often than not you tend to be racist.

    The people that are forming opinions about Alabama fans are, for the most part, basing that on their internet experiences and applying it to real life. Obviously message board fans are a bit more rabid and fanatical than your average college football fan. But the nastiness and overconfidence tends to overflow on message boards and internet discussions revolving around National Championship contenders.

    Most people on this board can remember how arrogant and annoying UF fans were on message boards a few years ago. Now they post a-lot less. Miami fans are also very arrogant during the off-season, but tend to quiet down once the results show up on the field.

    Also, Fanatical message board fans tend to live vicariously through their teams. (See NovaNoles suicidal grief over Rick Trickett on the blue board). "Normal" message board fans (people with less than 10,000 posts) tend to get burnt out pretty quick after hearing the same garbage over and over from the same posters about how amazing or awful their team is.

    If you look at the blue board, it is essentially a circle jerk between SEC fans over how amazing the SEC is. It is difficult to generate discussion about any other football related subject there. That is why so many non-SEC fans on the internet dislike the SEC.

    Now, although much of the dislike over Alabama fans has to do with "internet perceptions", for various reasons there is some validity to some of the criticism that is applied to the fanbase as a whole.

    On a state by state basis data consistently proves that Alabama ranks in the bottom tier in various "standard of living" data.

    Last in % of college graduates

    Last in income per capita

    Last in racial integration

    Last in corporate investment

    And one of my favorite stats that applies to most southern states...

    Last in tax base, but first in welfare and food stamp intake.

    Also, in general, college football fans tend to support their team blindly no matter what. Think of it as "Scholastic Nationalism". Some fan bases are friendly, some are violent.

    Because of these statistical facts, and the fact that their isn't any other sports teams to follow in the state, the average fans from the state of Alabama aren't much different than Jihadi-terrorists.

    Like terrorists, your fan-base is mostly ignorant, uneducated, uncompromising and they don't have any other activity to focus on other than watching the game or shooting a deer from the back porch.

    Like a terrorist that has no economic future, no education, or any long-term interests or hopes, Alabama fans become blindly fanatical to their "cause" and refuse to discuss any other idea or concept because their entire little world revolves around AU or UA. Any discussion that doesn't revolve around their "cause" is deemed heretical.

    And no I don't think Alabama fans are evil I was just comparing the psychological mindset of an Alabama (and UA) fan to a jihadi terrorists, because the cognitive thought process and economic environments are similar.

    Also both groups tend to post stupid stuff on the internet.

    Hope that helps OP.

  • rms02d said... (original post)

    I personally think most Alabama fans are annoying. But, there is also the issue of people (i.e FSU fans) conceptualizing reality via their experiences with "fans" on the internet.

    Its kind of like the movie "Crash". For example, when all your experiences with black people are negative, more often than not you tend to be racist.

    The people that are forming opinions about Alabama fans are, for the most part, basing that on their internet experiences and applying it to real life. Obviously message board fans are a bit more rabid and fanatical than your average college football fan. But the nastiness and overconfidence tends to overflow on message boards and internet discussions revolving around National Championship contenders.

    Most people on this board can remember how arrogant and annoying UF fans were on message boards a few years ago. Now they post a-lot less. Miami fans are also very arrogant during the off-season, but tend to quiet down once the results show up on the field.

    Also, Fanatical message board fans tend to live vicariously through their teams. (See NovaNoles suicidal grief over Rick Trickett on the blue board). "Normal" message board fans (people with less than 10,000 posts) tend to get burnt out pretty quick after hearing the same garbage over and over from the same posters about how amazing or awful their team is.

    If you look at the blue board, it is essentially a circle jerk between SEC fans over how amazing the SEC is. It is difficult to generate discussion about any other football related subject there. That is why so many non-SEC fans on the internet dislike the SEC.

    Now, although much of the dislike over Alabama fans has to do with "internet perceptions", for various reasons there is some validity to some of the criticism that is applied to the fanbase as a whole.

    On a state by state basis data consistently proves that Alabama ranks in the bottom tier in various "standard of living" data.

    Last in % of college graduates

    Last in income per capita

    Last in racial integration

    Last in corporate investment

    And one of my favorite stats that applies to most southern states...

    Last in tax base, but first in welfare and food stamp intake.

    Also, in general, college football fans tend to support their team blindly no matter what. Think of it as "Scholastic Nationalism". Some fan bases are friendly, some are violent.

    Because of these statistical facts, and the fact that their isn't any other sports teams to follow in the state, the average fans from the state of Alabama aren't much different than Jihadi-terrorists.

    Like terrorists, your fan-base is mostly ignorant, uneducated, uncompromising and they don't have any other activity to focus on other than watching the game or shooting a deer from the back porch.

    Like a terrorist that has no economic future, no education, or any long-term interests or hopes, Alabama fans become blindly fanatical to their "cause" and refuse to discuss any other idea or concept because their entire little world revolves around AU or UA. Any discussion that doesn't revolve around their "cause" is deemed heretical.

    And no I don't think Alabama fans are evil I was just comparing the psychological mindset of an Alabama (and UA) fan to a jihadi terrorists, because the cognitive thought process and economic environments are similar.

    Also both groups tend to post stupid stuff on the internet.

    Hope that helps OP.

    I am supportive of this rational and statistically accurate pimp slapping. Though maybe the post is a bit extreme, some points certainly have some serious merit.

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    "It's not the SEC conference vs. the ACC conference," "It's Florida State vs. Auburn." --Lamarcus Joyner

  • rms02d calling it out as he sees it, and ausin' national data to back it up. cool I live in middle TN. with a lot of Bama fans around me, outnumbered by idiot Vols though. Admittedly the ones I interact with are fellow business owners and folks that actually improved their lot in life.

    They all want their team to be the best, get the best and beat the best. Most understand the plethora of "jihadi's" extant in their state and all, but again, want to win. Thing is, and this doesn't get talked about too much here or on other sites. Most older types 40's and up, actually do have a lot of respect for our program, in particular BB and what he accomplished (him bein bred 'n bawn in Alabammy an all). The ones I've talked with are looking at Jimbo with just a bit of apprehension, and Craig with alarm. We're going into their backyard, and getting players to commit and play for FSU - where traditionally all they really had to worry about were Awbuhn and Cajun Tigers.

    Toug tittah said the kittah, but the mild tastes jussssssssssst fine!

    Not to mention they poach the panhandle of Fla. with impunity - as in their minds - is their god-given right!

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  • J Kirkpatrick said... (original post)

    Yeah, he may post better numbers at FSU...I can definitely see that. But Bama's 3 down lineman first job is containment and holding up blockers. Once they've done that then they rush the passer, which is the reason why Bama will probably never lead the country in sacks. But the defense will always be tops against the rush. This year's group is so disciplined in that manner.

    Now I can say without a doubt Eddie Goldman will move around like most defensive lineman his size. The only person who didn't move around was Chapman our starting nose tackle. Everyone moved around and took turns on the ends as well as the nose tackle. But if you look at the Bama line, you should notice Eddie would not fit our prototypical nose tackle, so his time would definetely be limited there. That's the reason why Saban went after Taylor b/c he does fit that big nose tackle to take up two blockers at a time.

    If I were you I would just sit down and watch a Bama game and only when they're on defense. If you love football like I do you'll see it's a thing of beauty. Yeah, I know I'm biased, but when you hold opponenets to like 40 yards rushing you can't tell me that's not impressive.

    Sometimes it not about individual accolades and more about playing as a unit and winning as a team.

    I am assuming you must not realize that, while Alabama is #1 in the country against the run, we are #2 with less than a 7 yard per game difference. So, we already have that whole "thing of beauty" aspect locked down. Plus, we have way more sacks and both sit in the top five of total defense.

    On momentum, Alabama was already good, which is why it rarely has to give out Escalades any more (see, e.g. Julio Jones) and can recruit based on its own merit mixed with good old fashioned local intimidation. However, UA should absolutely not be playing for the national title, though I recognize it is, in reality, in the game despite the reasons against.

    I appreciate you trying to iron out the problems, and you seem fine yourself. But we are currently going head to head for several very high profile recruits and this is crunch time. Therefore, we are not likely to find much common ground on these issues at the moment.

    "It's not the SEC conference vs. the ACC conference," "It's Florida State vs. Auburn." --Lamarcus Joyner

  • J Kirkpatrick said... (original post)

    LOL!!! I was told to keep the peace. argue

    But......I would say very confident at this point. All the Bama sites I've been to think he's going to announce for us. I've also heard he's not announcing until signing day so that's a very long time for a kid to change his mind.

    See, that's the point. You think you're going to get Goldman when everywhere else says FSU lean. Bama fans are also the only ones that think Landon Collins is going to commit to them instead of LSU. You're also going to get Jameis Winston to switch. The "insiders" on your board are ridiculous and basically tell you that you will get anyone that you want....and if you don't get someone there is always an excuse.

  • How people expect us to think that the Winstions would go from committed to Jimbo and having such a close relationship with D. Craig to screwing them over is laughable. They are a classy family and have never wavered or didn't stay in close contact about visits. Congrats on the success Bama but Winston committed knowing full well where the team stands. I have been close to this entire recruitment and can tell you this is one you will not be getting. Sorry in advance about Goldman as well. I base this on Eddies recruitment, not the theory that everybody wants to go to Bama.

  • If this guy really wanted an answer, he should hang out on the blue board for 48 hours.

  • Bama Fans are just like that

    This post was edited by MarlinNole 3 years ago

  • RyRog said... (original post)

    See, that's the point. You think you're going to get Goldman when everywhere else says FSU lean. Bama fans are also the only ones that think Landon Collins is going to commit to them instead of LSU. You're also going to get Jameis Winston to switch. The "insiders" on your board are ridiculous and basically tell you that you will get anyone that you want....and if you don't get someone there is always an excuse.

    My thoughts exactly