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Jimbo play calling when we have a lead is what really bothers me it seems like he rather run the clock and have the defense bail him out
And for those who is comparing jimbo to Brian Kelly his team is in the National championship and his offense actually produced when they NEEDED too
We are hoping/praying that Jimbo begins to absorb the lessons that he has learned over his first 6-years as the offensive coordinator here (and several years at LSU) and actually begins to interpret what the defense is giving him.... and implements the "correct" changes in real-time. That he learns clock management... and that he learns how to teach the team to play more disciplined and stop making mental lapses (penalties & missed assignments).
Seriously, with all the experience this guy has - how can anyone realistically come to the conclusion that this is likely?
My biggest fear is that Jimbo has hired the perfect up-and-coming defensive coordinators... who recruit great and keep our defense in the top 5.... while Jimbo's offense continues with little to no change... keeping us floating, and consistently folding against top tier opponents....
In all due respect, his 6-years of offensive coordinator at FSU should give us enough of a clue that Saban/Miles had more to do with LSU's offensive success than Jimbo did. I mean, look at what Saban/Miles achieved after Jimbo? The evidence suggests that he was NOT a highly relevant contributing factor to their success.
Guys, we really don't need to wait for next year's inevitability to unfold to take an objective look at all the evidence and come to a reasonable approximation...Jimbo is not hiring an OC now because he wants to play that card next year, when this team takes a huge hit, and loses 3-4 games that it will be favored in....and his seat heats up....
If the boosters, board of trustees, fan base, and AD stands idle this off season and allow the inevitable to play out... We deserve every ounce of pain/suffering we have coming this next year. This is stupid management and lack of foresight at its best. If you manage someone, and their ODDS of failure are HIGHER than their ODDS of success, you don't stand idle, ignore 10+ years of evidence, and hope for the best. You force them to make changes, which you feel will increase their ODDS...even if they may disagree with you. Sometimes a manager has to protect someone from themselves. This is what GOOD MANAGEMENT does.
Summary = hiring an OC shouldn't be an option at this point... even if it meant losing Jimbo.
We'd be better off losing him than to allow his ego to inhibit us from moving forward. If his ego is getting in the way of this OC issue, it's very likely inhibiting a lot of other growth and development aspects of the team (discipline)...
This isn't something that people grow out of.... He is what he is.... He needs to learn to mitigate his weaknesses (through hiring) or be forced to step aside and allow this program to reach the next level with someone else. If your mediocre at something, you have got to know when to outsource... Jimbo is bad at math, has been bad at math his whole life, and is refusing to go to H&R Block.... He's demanding to do his own taxes.
This post was edited by FsuFanForever 16 months ago
I don't disagree with Josh, in fact I suspected Jimbo's ego would not allow him to give up the play calling.
I was hoping after the one interview a month or so ago when he alluded to a 3 to 5 year plan where he
would give up the play calling.
Jimbo has one thing in common with almost all head coaches. A huge EGO!
His ego will in all likelihood not allow him to look objectively at his body of work and conclude that HE is the
FFF is correct. It will take a bad season and lots of heat to penetrate his noggin'.
What we need are highly placed booster, BOT members with a football background and others who have access
to Jimbo to make the case.
As a purely OC versus DC comparison, he has been MEDIOCRE.
When you take respective teams' depth and talent as compared to us then his segment was beaten several times this year.
USF was a definite underachieve.
NCSt was a huge underachieve.
UM was a moderate underachieve
VT was a huge underachieve.
UF was a moderate underachieve
GT was a huge underachieve.
Using UF as an example, anyone who has watched UF play knows you don't run outside on them.
Trying the zone stretch on them w/o CT? Really?
LIke FFF said, as we try the same thing again and again (Jimbo calling plays) we will get the same result.
2 or 3 outstanding offensive games and 3-6 underachieving offensive games where we hear 'lack of execution',
as if that is all on the players.
I'm tremendously disappointed, but at least my expectations will be modified accordingly.
This post was edited by Tom81 16 months ago
Based on what I've seen the past 3 years, Jimbo is a better HC than OC. That is, he's a better program builder and manager, recruiter, etc. I know that he has a very high FB IQ but for whatever reason his offense doesn't work well--the reason may be because he's so much smarter than the kids he coaches and he can't simplify things enough for the kids, i.e., he can't teach. The best coaches tailor their playbook to the strengths of the players and I don't think Jimbo is great at doing this.
The ? in the OP is important because it has been the O that has been the weak link for the past 2 years--so all things considered (i.e., in a normal year where we don't need to hire a DC) hiring an OC is more important than a DC. Frankly, Jimbo has put the D in such tough spots so many times the past two years, being DC at FSU is tough gig.
The last reason for Jimbo to hire an OC is so that he can focus on his HC duties full-time.
Sort of went out the window when EJ threw tons of picks and had our D gassed by the 2nd quarter
"It's not the SEC conference vs. the ACC conference," "It's Florida State vs. Auburn." --Lamarcus Joyner
FWIW, Devonta seemed to go the right way on the lead zone plays we called in short yardage
Maybe, but the split second it takes to make the read costs momentum and yardage, thus looking like our OL can't get a foot.
JWJ up the pipe like a bat out of hell. We'd get 90% of 3rd and shorts.
No dancing waiting to read the hole.
If the hole isn't there, hit the pile hard enough to make one good enough for a foot.
If gran was up to the task of being a real oc he would have been one long ago. He was looking for a job, any job. He was asked to leave.
Greek we have had this problem for 7 years. Sometimes when you can't ever get a yard when when it matters the ol is to blame. Vt you say? the ol got blown up on that 4th and 1 and only a great play by wilder got the 1st down.
See the credit does not always to go to the ol either. The ol year after year gets no push on short yardage.
If Wilder follows Lonnie instead of running into people, he's still running.
You used the absolute wrong play to make a point. That was a massive mistake from wilder.
The 4th and 1 - look at the attached picture. Lonnie is circled in red. On a lead zone play you're supposed to follow your lead blocker, where the red arrow is. Wilder instead runs toward traffic instead of following Lonnie through a wide open hole. The OL got the push - LOS moved upfield 2 yards. RB missed his assignment and fortunately was able to use his physical ability to overcome it.
Very disappointed to have to watch another season of Jimbo play calling.
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