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No reason....no reason to concern ourselves over OT recruiting. Right, because they are just flocking our way these days.
It is July. Let that sink in. Its july we have 7 months to signing day and we are in damn good position for Rod Johnson and Ragnow and already have Firth. So by all means continue to freak out for no reason.
No one is freaking out. Let this sink in: We've made these same comments in July the past several years. 7 months later, the threads are still relevant.
We are in a much better position this year than any of the past few years. Yes, we have had our struggles in recruiting OTs during that time but you cant look at our OT board and not like wheere we stand right now.
I hear ya, but posters are starting to freak out not so much because we seem to missing or losing grounds with guys that were once FSU leans, but more so because we are in this position on the first place with no suitable OT's to come in and contribute next year. Prince is 33% chance at best (I feel OSU or Maryland will land him) and Johnson is open to many schools so we could very easily miss out there as well. I really like Ragnow and he is very much underrated, but as Josh says follow the visits. Until he visits (much like Pack did recently to firm himself up) I question the probabilities of landing recruits, especially OL. I we could recruit OL one half as well as DL we would be perennial national championship contenders.
I would be tickled if we finished with: Ragnow, Blair or Mavety from Juco, and Johnson to go along with Frith. That would quiet a lot of the critics including myself.
FEAR THE SPEAR!
I understand the position i just think july is too early for this kind of talk. I agree with you on Prince. If he visits during the fall all bets are off tho. That class you listed is the most likely and i would be ecstatic with that class.
Nobody is freaking out, but it is a plain fact the OT recruiting is going poorly. I mean, no big deal, but it just is.
It has time to improve, but so far this cycle, it has gone poorly. We could land some great ones before NSD, yes, but at this point you'd rather be looking good than looking desperate.
I mean, if you can't say OL recruiting is going badly, then you equally cannot say LB recruiting is going great--I mean, we have 6 months for Daub and Pugh to decommit, right? It's early!
At OT, I fully expect us to meet our numbers, if we do, with guys we have not yet heard of.
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FSU is in good position for a lot of these kids.
The two JUCO kids, Johnson, Prince, and Ragnow. They will hit their numbers.
Lol you think its going poorly because we only have one commit in July? Alabama only has one OT commit so far are they doing poorly as well? Were leading for the number 7 ranked OT in the country and in the top 3 for the number 3 ranked OT not to mention in the top 2 with Mavety and you think we are doing badly?
It's not going how we'd hoped, that's what I'm saying.
And it's not just about how many commits we have at OT.
It's about guys we thought were leaning our way who now aren't.
We'll probably end up fine, but right now we're behind where we wanted to be. Why is that a big deal, and why do people get mad when that fact is pointed out?
You said we're doing badly. I think thats completely wrong. And besides prince who are you talking about? Eleumenor? The staff cutt ties with him according to chris or Josh. Not quite sure who you are refering to.
Exactly! If people were freaking out about recruiting this early in the season, they'd start a thread about how FSU can no longer get highly rated kids on campus!!!! Oh wait, that was last months over reaction, wasn't it?
No he was bitching about that yesterday too.
Personally, I'd like to add two more HS OT's and a Juco OT and call it a day on the OL. That would be a class of 6. If a guy like Prince wants in on signing day then you make it 7.
Btw, early reports on Bell are really encouraging and many looked at him as an after thought and a plan E recruit. With OL recruiting especially, you never know what you have for 2-3 years.
Big Whiff? If he liked Vandy and Stanford, we were never really in the picture. If we were even considered, that's a big positive statement for our staff.
National signed day is 6 1/2 months away. Definitely time to be concerned.
I fully agree with you Canolee. I want two more HS OT and one Juco OT. At OT, I would like to finish with Blair, Ragnow, & Johnson. I think we are on the outside looking in with Prince & Mavety, but I am very interested to see what Mavety says after his visit is concluded Sunday.
Great news on Bell! I really have high hopes for him. He looks to me that he would make an excellent RT, but most have him pegged as an OG. What is your take on the position he'll ultimately play?
It is the same on this board year round. One group will always say its only July or have another excuse when fsu doesn't meet their needs on the oline. The other group always questions why fsu has a hard time with oline recruiting. Just because fsu leads for a kid in July doesn't mean a thing.
Bell is 312 and will be playing Left Tackle. He's in absolutely phenomenal shape. Very little fat. Long arms. Will provide meaningful depth as a freshman.
That would be wonderful if true! Long term however, I would like to see Kerr at the LT spot when he puts on another 40-50 pounds. I just think he is a prototypical LT long term and I would like to see Bell slide over to the RT spot. But if Bell does serve as Erving's replacement at LT for the next 3-4 years then I'm fine with that. If Kerr stays at TE, we can almost use him as 6th OL like UF did to us this past year.
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Ato, like 996 said, they are working him at LT. I love the element he brings in the run game, because he fires low off the ball, has quick feet and is nasty.
I'd love your class of Rag, Blair and Johnson added to Elerbe, Frith and Martinez. Getting Rag on campus is the key, however.
And if Bell can play this year in garbage time and looks like the potential starting LT in 2014. Then I'd love to keep Kerr at TE. He gives us a more athletic version of Caz in the run game. I know everyone blames the OL for the poor short yardage conversions and lack of a running game in 2011, but the TE's were abysmal in the blocking department, especially in 2011. I think Brewster gets us over the hump and Kerr has the size to play right away and Christo has the will.
Canolee, that is great news on Bell. When it comes to OL, your analysis is like bible to all of us including me. So I appreciate you sharing so much insight.
Looking back at the past couple of years, you are sooooo spot on about our short yardage run game. Everyone stop and think, name one tight end we ahve had since jimbo has been here that could run block effectively and also had the size, strength, will to do so??? I'm drawing a blank. Caz was the last guy probably and I agree Kerr and Cristo will be huge in that respect. Too bad we lost our Penn State transfer for the year
In closing, just another reason to love Brewster. I think his ideology fits with what Fisher is trying to do. I think this program is slowly but surely shifting more and more to an Alabama type game plan both on offense and defense.
haha, thanks Ato. I'm not sure 'all'. But like everyone else, I'm entitled to my opinion and I definitely put in the work.
If we want to be like Bama, we really need to pick up in the TE blocking department. I watched 2-3 games of theirs last year and their TE's were excellent. OUr 2011 TE blocking was an F. Last year, it was improved to a C+, but still not where it needs to be. Haplea looked so much better in the Spring Game, but having him in 2014 if NOL does in fact enter the draft, might not be the worst thing in the world.
Christo needed to add some weight and strength and I hope the shoulder surgery didn't impede that. Kerr, if he learns the system(and I think I read that he was an excellent student), should be able to play right away and contribute. But I'd also like to see some Jumbo formations bringing in a Lovelday, Carter, Barron, Krug or a Denson the way Miami and UF did last year in short yardage. You could even toy with the idea of using Mario, but I like the idea of a technique sound OL first. Mario as a FB?
Agree with everything you mentioned.
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