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Barron is the primary rep for the faculty, so it's no surprise that he has said what he has on the record.
What I'm saying is is that it's stupid to say Miami won't go to the Big 12 because of their president considering our own president has publicly stated he has no interest in the Big 12 and likes the ACC. It's practically the same situation but some people are saying FSU is for sure going and Miami is for sure not.
I've read, or listened to many thoughts and opinions on this Big 12 possibility.
One conclusion I've drawn is that there are many things to consider.
Consider, we still haven't seen the ACC ESPN contract.
The Big 12's new commissioner has not officially started.
When we originally picked the ACC over the SEC, the ACC money was much better.
The Big 12 is looking great right now, but just a year ago, they looked like Dead men walking.
Could the ACC reverse that process? It doesn't look likely right now, but...
ND is the undisputed Big Dog for TV $ and negotiations.
We are a solid 2nd choice, significantly below ND in leverage, but above every other available team.
Those who think this is simple and a slam dunk are either naive or ........... !
Another argument has to do with our University fundraising footprint being much more
compatible with the ACC territory. Just throwing it out.
My point is this is a very fluid situation that requires a lot of facts that are not currently in place.
They may be before Aug 15, but they don't appear to be at this time. JMHO
Make no mistake, ND is the TOP choice for that #11 spot in the Big 12, we are 2nd. That being said reality is ND won't get off the pot anytime soon so FSU inherits top status.
I'm glad the FSU side finally shut up. Let the banter come from the Big 12 side and lets seee what officialy comes down after May 30.
Just my uneducated opinion here but I don't think ND moves unless the playoffs revolve around conference champions. They can create a tough enough schedule for RPI purposes. ND has to be shown it's necessary to get to the MNC for them to join a conference.
I don't really have a dog in this fight because the B1G seems pretty happy with 12 at this point. We likely won't expand again unless forced to.
With that in mind, I'm curious about all this... Do you guys want to leave the ACC? I always thought FSU fans were happy in the ACC. So this is all kind of a shock to me.
As far as the Big 12, I thought if FSU went anywhere it would be the SEC. Why the Big 12? I have nothing against them, but we're talking about a conference where schools couldn't wait to jump ship. The inequity amongst the teams as a result of Texas has been well documented. So lets assume FSU has already arranged for this and some new agreement is made among the Big 12 members and there is finally equality... What keeps Texas in the Big 12 then? Losing Texas is still a huge blow. Thats like the PAC 12 losing USC.
I'm curious what the issue is with the ACC. Because truth be told, I always thought the ACC was better than the Big 12.
As far as Notre Dame, I thought if they went anywhere it would be to the ACC.
As you can imagine, all of this news is shocking to me and much of it makes little sense. So I was hoping some of you could shed some light on it. Your answers are much appreciated.
I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters.
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
Most of us Nole fans want out of the ACC very badly. Many reasons but among them $, refs, and the NC schools who are always going to be basketball first.
Some of us would prefer the SEC (I am one) but it looks like it is too political to allow this to happen.
As far as if the Big 12 lost Texas. From my perspective OU is the class of the Big 12 and I think that remains that way.
Notre Dame to ACC would be a mistake because tobacco road would love their money but may not care to play second fiddle to them.
This is my take.
Thanks tmsmith2... I also had ND pegging the Big East and then the B1G in that order. I had Big 12 much lower on the list. but you never know with them. It would take something special to get them to quit independence. And that would likely mean a great number of concessions their way.
As far as class of the Big 12, I think it depends on definition of "class". Not that OU has none. But from a purely monetary and brand equity perspective, its Texas and then the rest of the country. Not only is Texas the big dog in the Big 12. They dominate everyone nationally. Nobody brings in more revenue and operates at a better profit margin than the Texas athletic department. And the academic institution is top notch. One of the finest research institutions in the country. Losing such clout and such a brand would be devastating. Its that perspective I was referring to.
Texas is much like ND. Because they are the hot chick with huge sweater midgets, they get a bunch of dudes buying them drinks. The Big 12 does that now and the rest of the conference hates it. Its precisely why Nebraska and Colorado jumped ship. However, Texas knows the value they bring to the table and thus, the rest of the conference knows their place.
I'm assuming that if FSU defects its because the inequity in the Big 12 won't extend to them. Otherwise I'm still scratching my head over this.
I can understand the desire to leave the ACC. And the NC schools clearly make things difficult.
Whatever happens, I wish you guys good fortune. Never had any issues with FSU or their fans.
From a lot of our perspectives, we see The ACC as controlled by Tobacco Road, where the almost exclusively care about basketball. So we sit there and watch helplessly as decisions we don't agree with get made.
So looking at the big 12 which will likely be controlled by UT & OK, who we assume will make decisions with Football being the emphasis. We still probably won't call the shots, but the decisions made will more likely coincide with our interests than they currently do.
And the money being talked about between the ACC and Big 12 isn't in the same stratosphere so we have to entertain it.
Any comic fans out there, check out Tart, written by a Seminole Grad, who is incidentally... me.
Texas is not going to leave the Big 12. They are the big dog in the conference, they are agreeing to a 13 year grant of their TV rights to the conference that will keep them in the Big 12 and they cannot take their LHN to any other conference. UT completely dominates the Texas TV markets and Texas has almost 7 times the population of Oklahoma. Texas is the only reason the Big 12 can compete with the SEC TV contract.
FSU will likely carry a lot more stroke in the Big 12 than in the ACC. The Big 12 is a football first conference and FSU brings a lot to the table in football prestige that has a lot of fans here excited. FSU also brings the state of Florida TV and recruiting markets which are a lot more valuable than anything any other school but Texas brings to the conference. If FSU can get some first class leadership, they should be first tier in the Big 12. UT leadership is focused on making money, not winning championships. FSU should be able to out recruit OU everywhere and there is a very good chance that FSU can replace their dominance on the field. I have to believe recruits everywhere will be more attracted to FSU after this move if it happens.
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Please don't leave us....take us with you!!!
Title saids it all.
Please explain to me what the university fundraising footprint is. Are you trying to say that alums who live on the east coast will donate more money if we are in the ACC than if we are in the Big 12? Is this serious? I live in NC and will donate more knowing FSU is doing the right things to be successful long term. I'm not going to donate more just because we play schools closer to where I live.
You could say we are a money first school.
You may be surprised but I believe more of us want FSU and Clemson over ND.
I'm simply throwing things out there that have been bandied about.
The fundraising footprint speaks more to the university as a whole, not just sports.
I'm quite sure the boosters would do better in the Big 12.
The argument is that the University fundraising would not do as well with less of a Easter and South Eastern profile.
Not saying I agree, but the University fundraising is a much bigger dog!
That is for certain, but Dodds is the only opinion that matters.
Ed Cunningham is an idiot. He said on College Football Live that teams that make less should just "live with it" instead of trying to make more money by going from conference to conference. Huskie Grad.
To me he has always been the worst. In all his money talk, he never brought up that ND could still bundle their 3rd tier rights. May be you guys can bring us some love on College Football Live, The Big 12 has always been thier stepchild.
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