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A lot of what was said about him and the playbook was after the spring. I am from Mobile, know the kid, no one has ever questioned his intelligence. I am sure you will find his grades are excellent. I was told he made 27 on his act, never made less than a B in high school. He is a tough guy, considered by many to be the best athlete to come out of St Pauls, definitely in the top 5. One of the GA's told me it was not about knowing the playbook but trying to figure out what Jimbo wanted. The GA said it was night and day after the the season began, thinks he is ready. Every player, GA, and coach has a favorite, sure you will hear positive and negative about all of the qbs. As for spring, this will be his second spring game, look it up, he got to FSU in the summer of 2011.
Reread your post, sorry, I thought you were saying more than one spring game.
I was at the 50 for the last spring game and Coker played very well but there was certainly a "chicken with his head cut off" nature to the performance. It was impressive to me because it let me know that he doesn't know the playbook yet and yet can still make plays.
Some of you guys have never held a college offensive playbook from a guy like Jimbo in your hand and known "I have to know this at speed and under duress." The playbooks are massive. It takes two years to learn them. It would be like handing an 18 year old who's popped his hood a few times to check a stick or hose an ASE Master Technician Manual and saying he'll have to do advanced maintenance in mere minutes.
Folks throw around "he does/doesn't know the playbook yet" but it's not a 100 hour kind of homework assignment. Its a 500 hour assignment. Winston doesn't know it, it would be far beyond impressive if he did. Watch some Texas A&M replays this year though. Most of their play calls could have been described in 3-4 words like "Ball out to leftside". A playmaker can know 65% of the playbook, you run that and when things break down you see why recruited him so long and hard. Remember we fought off Bama for Coker.
I think Coker was more of a diamond in the rough find. Jimbo saw him, recruited him very hard, and expected him to be our next guy, even when he wasn't nationally recognized by a lot of programs. But then Jameis comes along the next season and has everything you could want, including the intangibles package. There is a reason you sign guys like Jameis, and it not for them to sit for 3 years before playing.
When Coker was being recruited he had me so excited on what he could do. He still does. His blend of size, speed and athleticism is even a little more than EJ had. At any other point, I think he would be next in line. But Jameis is just on another level, the intangibles are what set him apart. Even as a true freshman, at every timeout, he was right in the middle of everything with Jimbo and EJ. This kid has so much promise, people are crazy if they see him sitting the bench behind Trickett for 2 more years. This will be a learn on the fly situation with Jameis, much like Notre Dame and Golson. We will have to take our lumps, sit through some inconsistent play, but by the end of the year, and leading into the next 2 years, we will have a true, nationally recognized superstar on our hands.
"A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt. "
You've got a great point and develop it well the only disconnect is that we all agree that Jameis' hype and exposure make him the type of kid who "won't ride the pine for 3 years". We all agree there. What's still up for grabs is whether he can actually beat out Coker for the job. If Coker whips him then I agree, Winston won't finish his career at FSU.
This^ - it's understandably easy to get excited when you come across some inside information (I for one am guilty of this), but it's important to remember that no one's opinion (minus Jimbo) means much when it comes to the QB situation until spring. Seems like not even the inside information at this point is close to consistent. Even then - do you guys think the battle will be over by the Garnet & Gold game, or will we have to wait until fall camp?
I want Jameis to start, purely because I want him to be a superstar (and I want it now!) and think it will help with 2014 offensive recruiting. There is no other logic to it and I accept that. However, those two short practice periods don't seem like enough time for anyone to beat out Trickett.
Jameis, if you're reading this, we're not only all counting on you, but we expect back to back to back to back Heisman campaigns - and at least two CWS rings. Also let us know how things are going with the playbook. Thanks.
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Yes, and that doesnt make me smart or anything. It just means I doubt most on here have seen what they are talking about. Pro style playbooks are inches thick.
Touche, it was an honest question. I for one have never held one. I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to read through that thing.
As a fan of Florida State University, how does one go about choosing one player to like more than another? This fascinates me.
Torn on this qb thing.. Agree with Fsufsu that Coker is the most props me to win the job this year, but I can see Winston leading the charge when they come to my neck of the woods to open 2014 against Okie State.. Just praying this doesn't become a Xavier Lee, Drew Weatherford situation..
That's up to us fans not to let it become that...
Starting a new QB is scary. Here's the good news: if Trickett doesn't work out, we have Jacob Coker. And if Coker doesn't work out we have that Jameis Winston guy.
I guess I'm crazy because I do see Winston on the bench behind Trickett for the next two seasons.
Christo omnino nihil praeponere
its all about potential....
Coker and Winston's athletic ability gives our offense another dynamic which other teams have to prepare for.. Thats something Clint can't bring to the table
If you really arent more attached to certain players than others then you're a cyborg. Or just a huge smart ass.
What if neither of them are that good yet? What if they're good, but Trickett is just better? I really don't care who plays. I'm certain we'll play the guy who is capable of performing the best.
I can see why you'd want one of the mobile QB's. I don't think it matters all that much. You can be a good offense with a guy that runs, or without one. You just tailor your offense accordingly.
And I think it's incredibly silly to think Trickett won't be good next year based on previous performance, if you (a general you) perceive that performance to be underwhelming. He wouldn't be the first QB to improve from one year to the next.
What blows my mind more than anything is how people pick a "favorite" out of Coker and Winston. We've seen little of Coker, and even less of Winston. It's like comparing two movies, only you've never seen either movie, nor do you know any of the actors in either. It's pretty ridiculous.
I pull for the team. When I see two players play, I form an opinion on who is better. But I don't do that before I have ever seen them play. And I don't hope that one player is better than another, which, whether some will admit to it or not, many on here do.
For instance, from what I've seen, Brooks is better than Williams at safety. So far at least. But I don't know who will be better next year. I don't particularly care. I hope they both play well and get drafted.
I learned my lesson with Mister Alexander. I thought it was silly that we offered him a scholarship at the last minute. I figured we hadn't offered him for a reason since he didn't have an offer and he was so vocal with his desire to play at FSU. We did offer, on signing day I think, and I thought it was a mistake. I didn't think he' ever be more than a special teams play. I made a decision on him before I had ever seen him play, and he turned out to be a starter at linebacker.
I won't make that mistake again. Now I sit back and enjoy watching the players (and team) develop.
The fans have very little to do with it. It's all about one of the guys grabbing hold of the his opportunity and then never letting go. The reason Weathorford and Lee became such an issue is b/c both were incredibly inconsistent and we lost a bunch. The fans will only be part of the story if the team and coaches let it become an issue by play inconsistently and/or poorly.
What's ridiculous is believing that it's up to the fans not to let the qb battle become a controversy.
We're the ones that make it a controversy. By doing things like nicknaming a quarterback "Savior Lee." Yep, that's the fans.
con·tro·ver·sy [kon-truh-vur-see; British also kuhn-trov-er-see] Show IPA
noun, plural con·tro·ver·sies.
a prolonged public dispute, debate, or contention; disputation concerning a matter of opinion.
contention, strife, or argument.
Because it's debated in public does not mean it is an actual issue or major topic for discussion amongst the team. The Chris Rix situation was. I don't think the Lee/Weatherford situation was, though. It was amongst the fans. The same thing is going to happen here if people insist on knowing who the right guy is for the job with no real information to base their opinion on.
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Oh, he had his moments. He's got a good arm with nice zip on his throws. But, I wasn't blown away. I also saw the WF game. He wasn't very good. I think he could have success at FSU, but he's very limited in his skill set, IMO. If I want to go to the MNC I'm putting my $$ on JW.
The Future is Now.
If Trickett's the best of the 3 then he should start. It's as simple as that. I'm pulling for the best QB to play. My uninformed prediction is JW, that's all.
Actually, it's not who's the best qb, it's who causes the team to be more effective at winning games. Those two things are not necessarily the same.
Clint Trickett could be the best qb in terms of making the right reads, knowing the play book, throwing motion, doing things the right way, etc., and still the offense might move the ball better with JW at the helm. There are a lot of ways this could happen, such as Winston's running ability forcing the defense to account for things they wouldn't have to do against Trickett.
Anyway, I want the qb that makes life most miserable for opposing teams.
You missed the entire point. The only reason the starting qb becomes a subject of controversy is when they play poorly and/or inconsistently. The fans have very little to do with the actual performance. Rix was wildly inconsistent. So were Lee and Weatherford. In addition we lost lots of games during their tenures. That's why there was a controversy.
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