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50% of them were from the following schools.
2 Fresno State
1 SE Missouri State
1 Central Michigan
1 Wake Forest
1 Iowa State
I realize that Rutgers, Wake and ISU are from major conferences but they would not be schools that you bragged about if your school offered and they were the next best offer.
My point is, this is not an exact science, even with the advances in technology, great websites like this, camps, etc... especially on the OL.
I wanted Golson and Tunsil more than anyone, but if we end up with the following class...
RG Munger-solid DL recruit, but he could be an elite OG IMO.
RT-OG Haynes-new to the game, athletic(basketball player) and nasty.
I think you can win with that group(even if Munger sticks with OSU), as long as we can land two pure OT's(Eluemunor and one more) and another inside guy or two in '14. Possibly a JC OT for depth if Cam decides to leave(Duckett if he has kept his weight under control).
Good post. I was telling a friend today that if we add Bell and Haynes it may actually be a pretty bad ass group. I hope.
Biggest thing is they need time. LT job comes open when Kerr is a RSo to be. Ready?
Haynes, same position as he will likely redshirt at RT behind a Jr starter. A recruit like DPrince would boat race him though.
This post was edited by fsufsu 15 months ago
fsufsu, what I like most about Kerr, Munger(to a lesser extent as an OSU commit), Bell and Haynes, is even though they are all no names, they all are athletic and nasty. I'm sure they will come in with a chip on their shoulder's proving they belong.
btw, the Pats have two guys from Fresno State, one from Houston and one from SE Missouri State to protect their Tabloid QB.
Who is the Iowa state guy?
Kelechi Osemele from the Ravens is from Iowa State, 28.
In before TNOLE
don't think he starts but Marshal Yanda does and he is from Iowa
Yeah he is starting at LG as a rookie and has been pretty bad ass there
yeah they moved osemele into the starting lineup with mckinnie at LT and slid oher to RT
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The OP is interesting for sure, but IMO it doesn't show much. What we as a fan base want is a good line--starting 5, at least--but the OP only shows that great individual OL talent can come from anywhere, even mediocre schools. If we were to look back on the lines on which these individuals played, they probably were no good.
This post was edited by tlhwg 15 months ago
This is interesting but what does it have to do with Trickett not getting it done? Satisfied? Small school players do have a shot at the NFL. More big school players get in the NFL although there are many times more small school players playing college football.
So the percentages are on the side of players at big schools but your point is well taken
This post was edited by TNOLE27 15 months ago
This. It seems a bit of a reach in attempt to rationalize our OL situation as acceptable.
27 and I are both are unhappy with OL recruiting the last decade. Or thereabouts. Where we differ is once they get here, how they deveop.
That being said, these aren't the big names we envisioned. I believe Tunsil should be in this class. he is the best OL prospect I've seen in years and has multiple ties to the program. But is he guaranteed to be a big time player and a top draft pick? He certainly should be. However, I've also read that he could be having some difficulty getting qualified. That doesn't bode well for a kid that has to learn a complex college offense. I sure wish Trickett had a chance to school him, but it's not going to happen. So go get a kid that is motivated and wants to be here.
And I don't think Munger, Bell and Haynes are Ganguzza level recruits. These kids are all 6'3, 285+, athletic and mean.
I understand the point but tricketts recruits have flamed out at a rate much higher than average and the sample size is big enough to be extremely skeptical with the trickett specials.
The next Rodney Hudson is gonna be our version of every 2 star is the next ed reed
Btw, the backups(OL) in the super bowl are from Wake, Appy State, UCF, Morehouse and Delaware. The only other two listed are from big schools(Texas, Miami).
Tlhwg, we absolutely covet a good overall line, but if you start with pro prospects and then can get them to play together, you can have potentially great line. We were on the verge of a great OL this year until Watson declared. But if Bobby Hart steps up as well as a few other key reserves, there is still a chance.
Besides sending guys to the NFL can't hurt with recruiting.
I will admit that this past year was probably the best line that Trickett has fielded in his 6-years here (which is a concern in itself).... but the measure of a "great OL" cannot be the stats acquired from playing teams with defensive lines ranked in the bottom half of the league.
Do you trust us in a 3rd and 1 with the game on the line vs a top 50 defense? Sure we have the ability to break one and score quick.... but out of a 10-play drive, do you trust us to methodically move down the field... and not to completely blow an assignment, which kills the drive at some point?
There is too much inconsistency between Fisher's offense and Trickett's blocking schemes over the past 6-years, when playing top 50 defensive lines. This inconsistency has not been improving at a rate which leads me to believe it's going to be worked through.
The sooner we admit that it's possible that no one is at fault.... That Trickett + Fisher may truly be some of the best coaches in the nations.... but their individual units just do not play well together.....
The better off we are going to be.
What makes it hard for you canolee, is when you are reviewing video on an OL in the follow scenario:
-One blocks perfectly 50% of the time
-One blocks perfectly 90% of the time
The 50%er has a coach who is sensitive to their weaknesses and avoids them during crucial moments... and the OL tends to really buckle down and perform well under pressure.
The 90%er has a coach who calls what they want... and the OL tends to really struggle and loose focus under pressure.
You analysis of the game and the 90%er looks much better on video, but when you actually isolate the crucial moments which shape and define the game, it tells a completely different story. Football is about performance under pressure and timing... stats mean nothing, if your team can't assert it's will on the opponent during the defining moments of the game.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by FsuFanForever 15 months ago
I have followed recruiting for many years now. It has always been said that the OL is the toughest segment to evaluate. Over the years it does seem to my layman eyes that this is true. There appear to be a very select few that can be ID'd early, but for the most part it can be hit and miss. Your stat about the NFL seems to further prove this point.
Go Salukis! Prance and Shed all over 'em!
Good post. Our OL recruiting is subpar, but it's not the end of the world at all. OL recruiting is by far the most volatile, in terms of predicting how good a HS prospect will become.
It may be obvious because both of these teams made the Super Bowl, but both of these lines are pretty good, too. SF's line graded out as the best run blocking line (by far) in the NFL. They were fourth in pass blocking, too. The Ravens' line graded out as about average pass blocking and good in run blocking. This is from all season, though, and this team has certainly stepped it up the last month or so.
FFF, I agree we aren't where we need to be in short yardage, but they definitely improved on it after a dreadful '11 season. And I think the blame for the short yardage needs to be shared. Sometimes it's an OL whiffing, but also the RB not making the correct read, the QB not getting us out of a bad play(EJ against GT had a 3rd and inches with no one in the A gaps and instead of a QB sneak off a silent count with the Center, we ran a zone play for a loss) and the TE's(particularly in '11 were brutal) have to become more consistent+physical blockers. Both NOL(was much improved) and Haplea missed big blocks this year at critical times.
And we can only play who is on the schedule. What we need IMO is a QB that can hurt you with his mind(pre snap) and his arm if you crowd the LOS. Ponder could do it, but he didn't have the weapons at WR or at RB for that matter. He also played with one of the worst defenses in college football his junior year.
Daddy and Andy, you wonder though about Tricket if he were a little younger, if he would have the energy to find a few more of the "Diamonds in the rough" earlier on? He can give me 33% of his salary and I'll move down to Tally and do all of his dirty work.
Oh wait, I forgot to mention the biggest culprit for short yardage failures and that is the play caller. He was better this year mixing in some play action.
btw, what % of 3rd and 2 play calls are pass in the NFL these days?
Canolee, your constant jabs at EJ are really annoying.
This post was edited by HBCU93 15 months ago
This is the bitch of being HC... your responsible for every single problem... So you damn well better have good judgement and the willingness to make changes quickly-on-the-fly if needed.
in 2013, if EJ turns out to be the main problem, and the new QB steps in, goes undefeated, and Jimbo's offense scores 70 points per game.
Then one can argue Jimbo made a huge mistake in leaving EJ at QB this past year.... And we have to worry about Jimbo's ability to assess potential and pick the correct person to lead his team & play within his system.
I hope these are the problems we are debating next off-season. FIRE HIM, HE COST US 1 OF OUR 2 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS.
This post was edited by FsuFanForever 15 months ago
93, do you think EJ was perfect this past season?
I don't think the OL was perfect, but they were very good. I thought the QB was great at times and below average at others. The OL had it's valleys as well, but IMO were more consistent than the QB play, especially if you factor in the inexperience of the OL and a highly regarded QB in his 5th year. And when you play QB, you are going to get too much blame and too much credit at times.
Should I stop calling it as I see it? I think EJ is a phenomenal kid and I hope my child is like him in every way, even if he chooses not to play sports. But last week was a microcosm of EJ's career. He struggled mightily at practice, but had some awesome moments and then played a good game. If he could ever develop consistency, then he would become a very good pro QB. And no one is rooting for him harder than I am.
canolee, your assessments of EJ's play fine, but offer the same on the play of the OL. I hold back a lot in regards to your posts, simply because I respect the time you put into it. There are many points that I disagree with you on, but refuse to point them out based on the fact that it really would amount to nothing positive. There are glaring issues that others could also see if they chose to simply educate themselves on the basics of technique or zone blocking schemes.
Was EJ perfect? Who is? I know the boards have this revisionist history of Ponder's greatness, but I do not share that. Ponder was great at playing to his strength: the short passing game due to, in my opinion, a very average arm. Venture over to a Vikings message board and view the complaints of his reluctance or inability to go down field on passes. I could go on and on about this, but I digress.
So, EJ struggled mightily in practices? Depending upon whichever reports you choose to accept, I could call into question your use of mightily. I have no issue with your "calling it as you see it." I simply question whether you see what is actually happening, or simply what you prefer.
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