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This isn't directed at FSU, but it includes FSU.
I've noticed that attendance for live sporting events is down across the board. Football, baseball, basketball, Nascar, college, pro...all seem to be down at live events. Of course championship type teams still get sellouts on a regular basis, but it seems overall people aren't going to games.
I know I feel the same way. I literally live on the same street as where the Bucs play at Raymond James Stadium, but I've only been to one game in 3 years. I used to go to about 3-4 games a year. It's hard to rationalize sitting in a hot stadium, paying 9 dollars for a beer and 50 (average) for a ticket. Or do I sit at home with my 50 inch flat screen, my own beer and food and watch the game?
I think there will need to be sweeping changes in the future to get people to pack stadiums again. I know the NFL is now offering free WiFi in most stadiums, but I also think the ticket prices are going to have to drop as well. Right now Price exceeds Value to most consumers. It's not that they don't want to go, it's that it's just not worth it compared to the alternative spots to watch a game.
Thoughts? I see this as an issue that is only beginning and is not going to go away until major changes are made.
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I just have a simple question.. Can somebody explain to me why food at events (movies, sporting events, concerts, etc.) is so much more expensive than anywhere else including restaurants? Not rhetorical or facetious. Seriously, just wondering if the price is that high because they know people will spend it if they are there for the "show".
Also, I will say, movie theaters can get away with it because the movies aren't out for people to watch at home. Same goes for live concerts, obviously.
This post was edited by Mr Mook 19 months ago
For theaters and other establishments, it's the only form of income. Taking the Movie example, all of the ticket sales for a movie go back to the studio for a few weeks (length varies depending on popularity of the movie). The theater company relies on concessions for 90% of the profit. I'm guessing that stadium owners are in a similar place, but I have no idea if it applies to sport teams or not.
As to why people don't go to games as much, it's down to the economy and the fact that you have better viewing options at home in HD etc. It's going to be a huge problem for all sports in the future.
I think you raise a good question.
Here are my issues:
MLB - I had Rays season tickets since their inception. However 81 home games is just too much. I could not give tickets away, including the year they went to the series. Not to mention that going to a game is no longer affordable. There is almost no way that you cannot go to a game and not spend 100.00. Now to many that does not seem like a lot but when there are 81 of them, that seems outrageous to me
NFL - I have two young girls, and there is no way I would take them into Raymond James. The atmosphere has long ago left family zone.
So what you are seeing a lot of is Families staying away from professional sporting events. This to me is also why I am glad that there is no Alcohol in Doak. I expect to hear stories of how bad the USF fans are after the game on the 29th. And yes I had tickets to go to the game but my daughter has a gymnastics meet in Daytona Beach that weekend.
When you allow drinking during the games it just yields to bad situations.
This post was edited by ZZ1059 19 months ago
I did a 35 page thesis on this. All signs point to it crescendoing. Immersive in-home viewing experiences will replace in-person attendance.
I could actually attach my report if anyone cared. It's getting published (not in ESPN magazine or anything but officially published)
This post was edited by fsufsu 19 months ago
these are good punts you mak. i prefer two watch form my west boca ghetti hom
Supply and demand. When you go to a game or a movie, there's only one place you can get a beer or some food, and they'll charge what they want. Competition drives prices down. It's not like McDonalds charges $5 for a burger, the reason they charge $1 is because Wendy's, Burger King, etc., they all charge $1. No competitor to drive down prices when you're in a closed environment like a football stadium.
I think being disconnected from everything for hours at a time is a mark against going to games in person as well. If you get Redzone or something like it, you can catch every game in that time slot. If you go in person you are blind to what is going on in the rest of the league. Same thing with CFB. Last weekend I was on the road at 7, caught the game in Doak and then was back on the road for another couple of hours. Basically missed every other game that day. This weekend all the good games are jammed into one time slot, so I won't know what happened until I leave Doak again.
Not a big deal for me but if someone likes to chat/tweet/facebook about the games as they happen, or at least wants to see as many games as possible you have to stay home now.
Newer stadiums seem to be already going this way, but smaller more intimate venues are where things are apparently heading. The cost of going both in ticket prices and concessions, parking etc. does not hold the value that improved at home (or bar) experience gives.
Deserve got nothing to do with it...
You guys brought up even more reason's NOT to go to games.
My questions is, how will the sports industry counter? It's a business and like any other industry, you must react to the changing climate to stay profitable, sports are no different.
I sometimes wonder what can be done. Has anyone heard of any teams doing anything or does anyone have ideas as to how the live-sports industry can survive?
Many people can't afford it in today's economy.
Revenue will continue to shift to television and the stadiums will get smaller and with far more ammenities.
10 years from now what we now call "Cable" or "Dish" will cost ~5-7 times more and most of it will be for the sports channels.
I'd be interested in reading fsufsu. Feel free..
I would be sort of interested to read that. It seems simple to me - more choices at home, the now ubiquitous nature of big screen HD TVs (maybe 3D in some homes) and the second screen phenomenon where people (me for example) will have the TV on one thing and the tablet on another. You can't do any of that at the stadium. Plus ticket prices keep going up, so you have to pay more and give up all the things above. Oh and all this during a time of persistent high un- and under-employment. Add it add and you have fewer and fewer people going to games.
Same here fsufsu.
Josue. I've been in on pat of a round-table discussion about this very thing. You will see more and more premium pay-per-view packages, and more charged for them as well. Your cable/dish/direct TV bills will continue to increase, and player contracts will top out and eventually begin to come down - as owners will no longer be able to afford 20 mill/year for banjo hitters. The pros are littered with under-performing rich players who achieve a sinecure, and then become oft-injured, never reaching their top numbers again stumble-bums shirkers (there are some who have the pride to push on hard too). Don't forget, the owners pay ALL the expenses, that's ALL the expenses, and I'll say it again ALL the expenses, while the players just collect as the largest expense item on the balance sheet.
You are also right about the 'live" experience being egregiously expensive, with most families choosing only one or two trips/year due to the high costs. I've also read recently, where about 70% of pro tickets are purchased by corporations, who can write off all or some of the cost as advertising/entertainment. I buy Titans tickets, and as long as I give them to clients for their use, can claim them as a business expense - and do. It has been bandied about, that as our population ages, staying home becomes the viewing option of choice, not just for the expense, but for the relatively hassle-free experience. Too, at home, one can get all the commentary, color, research and additional information one can NOT get in a park or stadium. To me, and I would venture to guess for many others, that is a strong dynamic of the overall experience.
Yeah obviously my research puts a million words to a pretty obvious issue. Not to mention, as most can foresee, the very thing we call "television" will barely be around in 10 years. Part of my research was into the future of "immersive in-home experiential technologies". Just wait till those come out. 7-15 years tops.
This is kinda what I was getting at. An answer to where this is all heading.
Nothing is forever....email was brand new 20 years ago and now almost non-existent among kids entering high school.
So the question really is, what is the future of live sporting events? I understand that there are going to be more and more ways to consume from home, but what will the live venues and teams have to do to get butts in the seats?
More and more and evermore promotions is one answer. Minor league teams do all sorts of activities as inducements to fill the empties. I don't think it can sustain itself however. That's why grocery stores use loss-leaders with a finite life span. One of the previous posters was right about consumables being the high profit revenue streams for teams. Parking, concessions, tours, and other premium experiences are almost pure bucks to the bottom line as well, and the corporate sales forces push these hard.
Also, never forget. while some teams have major municipal and county tax breaks, the fed bill still can take more than a third off the top of every dolla taken in.
I don't know what will happen, nor does anyone else at this point. One thing is certain, and Josue hits it square in the middle of the coconut, what we have now will be completely different in a decade or so.
This. I personally love live events. Watching at home for me just cannot duplicate being in the middle of it all (I also am one of the remaining few who actually prefers to go shopping versus shopping online) However the last few years the economy has taken a big chunk of my business from me which allows me few luxuries.
They can truncate the losses by hyper-wiring their stadiums and adding amenities to the seats. Doak will soon have arm rests in the lower 30 rows likely and only seat ~60K. There will be an interactive nature with fans at home to create crowd noise most likely. I spoke with 5 SEC/ACC Directors of Event Management and all of them agreed that stadiums will largelybe 25% as big as they are now within 25 years.
Adding games to the schedule has not helped. When We had a 10 game schedule it was 5 home games...a move to 11 makes 6 home games with at least one really crappy opponent. Move to 12 and you have 7 home games and 2 lousy opponents. All for TV revenue and more season tickets sold....looks like it is backfiring now.
If we need to reduce seating in Doak in the future, I suggest adding many more sky boxes..how about a ring around the mid section of the stadium of luxury boxes.
Wow that's a great point.
I don't know if you can say it has backfired. If revenue is up...
truthfully, I'm pretty much the opposite. I never watch the games from home. If I can't go to Doak, I go to the FSU bar in NYC. I think what you want from a game determines how you consume it.
I want us to win first and foremost, but I also really enjoy the tailgating and other social side of watching games. For me, FSU football is also about sharing a good time with friends. Fantasy football is the polar opposite. It takes a team game and makes it about your unique team. No one else is cheering for your team. I mean, you're in a league with friends, but you can't exactly meet up to watch a game and cheer for the same people. If I was watching to follow my fantasy team, you bet I'd be doing it from my couch.
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