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Read something in the ND/FSU thread that got me thinking. I think I've changed my mind and I would just go ahead and start Winston in 2013. He's the future of our program and might as well get him some real game experience. There are things you simply do not learn on the practice field or in garbage time. While I think Jimbo will go with Trickett in 2013 because he will without a doubt have a better handle on the playbook, I think we could still win 10 games with Winston. Our 2013 OL should be a beast too. Great for breaking in a new QB.
Why do people simply assume JW is better then Coker? Simply due to stars coming out of HS? To say JW should just automatically become the starter is extremely shortsighted, IMO.
We are not saying that Coker is a bum. What we are saying is that Winston's skill set is elite and if maxed out he could be one of the great ones. Yes, Coker could do that too, but Winston's potential to be something special is much higher IMO.
Disagree. I think you are selling Coker very short, especially long term potential (NFL).
Coker is 6'5 and 235 lbs, about. He has an extremely strong arm, very athletic, and is very cerebral. The guy is a hybrid mix between EJ and Ponder from an athletic and mental standpoint.
Frankly, it's less likely JW fully develops while playing baseball in the spring. It's important, early time in his development stage he'll miss.
All things being equal, I think in college Coker and JW potential is pretty even. Add in JW missing time for baseball and I think Coker is our starter next year.
Two- QB system Coker-Winston, best guy takes the job in to conference play. Back-up should learn to mature and know his chance could be at any time.
I'd bet that Trickett is our starter next year. I mean he's already keeping Coker off the field. The battle for Coker will be when Trickett moves on and it's between him and Winston.
BTW, did you follow Winston last year? He won the elite 11 competition so it's not like he's all flash. He can toss it around just fine.
I think a lot of the reason why you see people saying this about JW is things that we have read on this sight. Things like Odell saying he has never seen talent like that at the quarterback position and the fact that he is always in EJ's ear just looks good I for one don't care who it is Coker or Winston I will be happy with either one I would rather it not be trickett though.
Starting early works great for some players. It breaks other. I really don't know.
To me I'll be happy whichever of the four qbs (Maguire exists too) takes the reins. Trickett because of his knowledge of the playbook and brass balls. Coker or JW because of their higher athletic ceilings. Maguire because I'd not given much thought to Christian Ponder when he beat out Weatherford & D'Vo for the start his sophomore year and that turned out ok.
Next year is a year that the QB shouldn't have to win many games for us. As stated already, the line should dominate. The backs will be upperclassmen and strong, the receivers should be incredible and the tight ends should be strongly above average. So whoever leads that group should have success.
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My approach is if he wins the position then he deserves it. Who ever it is. Personally, I would rather have Coker or Winston over CT due to the added talent they can bring to the game.
Coker should be a very special QB at this school and he has the potential to be one of the best to play here based upon his skill set. Winston has all the same features that Coker has and probably slightly quicker. I would imagine that Coker can take a hit and it appears that Winston is adding on weight which is a big bonus when you are comparing CT to these guys. I like that we all doubt CT and I am sure he has been getting this his whole life so if he wins the position look for him to prove us all wrong as a kid in his position with his size and skills plays with a chip on his shoulder.
If trickett is our 3rd string qb we are in great shape.
"I never knew I had a foot until I noticed it was on your neck"
Why do we do this? Why do we build kids up like this that we've never seen play? Why are we elevating him above the rest of our roster at that position.
Look, bar none, the most important aspect of being a quarterback is mental and visual. It's the ability to anticipate where all your guys will be on each play. The ability to see the defense before the snap, and know from all the work you put in with film study and your instincts what they are going to do. And the ability to process information quickly once the snap is made, to see what's happening as opposed to what you expected to happen and make good, quick decisions.
This is where E.J. struggled. There are games where his vision was great and it was apparent. The Clemson game, for instance. Others he had trouble seeing the field.
It has nothing to do with physical skill sets. It has nothing to do with star ratings. Christian was a 3 star and he had pretty good vision. EJ, with more physical skills and more stars, never saw the field as well. Just like with running backs, you can't teach a QB vision.
So why are we assuming Winston processes the game better than Trickett or Coker?
I have no idea who does this better. Not a clue. And neither do you. So why don't we just, excitedly, wait and see?
Cerebral? Is that your way of saying Coker is smarter because he is white?
Everything I have heard Coker has had problems picking up the playbook and that's why trickett is ahead of him.
Winston is a very special player. Mentally, physically, and he is a natural leader.
Having trickett as our qb ruins this team. We have two talented qbs and trickett is not one of them.
Jimbo made the tough choice with Weatherford but I am not sure he will do it to rick trickets son. If trickett starts, that decision will have the same long term outcome as jeff Bowden to oc. It will end with jimbo as oc of Alabama in 3 years
I actually really like Coker, I just feel Winston is special and if manziel and even gholston have proven anything, its that you start special players
You say all this based on what?
If my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather.
Maxed out how?
Coker has same skill set with extra year in program and more accurate arm.
Trickett has the knowledge but is limited by size.
In this day and age you've just got to be able to do something with your feet, because your passing will not be on for 14 games.
Barkley, Glennon and all other QBs that can't move make life difficult.
All that being said, you're making huge assumptions by trying to pick a guy you've never seen at this level.
Coker couldn't beat out a 180 pound kid who cannot run. Therefore he is not special.
James redshirted because ej was starting no matter what.
Everyone who has ever talked to, played with, or watched Jameis says he is special.
Just watch him on the sidelines. The kid wants to win. You can see it.
I am team Winston for sure, but would rather Coker over trickett.
Wow man. I'm usually real sensitive to racial overtones in sports talk, but I didn't pick up a hint of it here.
Maybe Coker is not cerebral, but I don't think the suggestion that he is is based on race.
Hell, I thought E J was an extremely cerebral quarterback. Too cerebral, actually. What we need is a quarterback who is more INSTINCTIVE, not more cerebral.
That's what I hope both Coker and Winston are.
Coker couldn't beat out an extremely smart QB because Trickett was up to speed quicker and you make this inference.
We'll know more in 4-6 months.
Right now these are all beyond wild guesses.
The question was how you would handle his development. It was not a statement that he should start. If you want to attack people and sound like a know it all, go over to warchant.
Btw....Winston has been labeled by everyone who has seen him play as "special". So it's not like we are the only ones building him up. He won the elite 11 and came out of high school as a higher rated QB than anybody on our roster. But you're right, this is nothing to get excited and chat about. (Sarcasm off)
He doesn't come off as a know it all.
He is trying to get you to stop coming off as one by anointing a kid who has never taken a snap in college.
You didn't say he will start....you said way more...."He's the future of our program".
He may very well be all that, he may not, spring ball will give them all a chance to prove it.
Oh, and regarding handling his development "best man plays". What's to handle?
This post was edited by atgreek 16 months ago
Alright I will refrain from discussing the qb battle for 4 to 6 months because I am "guessing "
Nobody knows anything. If you don't want I discuss the qb battle, the most important position battle since jimbo took over, then fine but don't come here telling others not to discuss it.
Nobody knows who will win that battle. I think the one thing mostly everyone can agree on is that we hope Coker or Jameis can take the job because they have the ceiling capable of winning a title.
Ibid. From what I gather, Jimbo's playbook not only has a ton of plays, but each one may have 3 or more permutations. That's a lot for ANY kid to absorb, remember and call out as an audible in the several seconds he has to read the defense. I imagine it takes a year or more just to familiarize oneself with the nomenclature alone.
It would be less than intelligent to put a QB on the field who has not had the chance to work through this process. I have no idea who of our current QB's has the best grasp of the book. Probably CT at this stage. But, there may be other factors in Jimbo's decision as who to start and showcase, beyond even measureables and intelligence.
In any regard, it's fun to speculate, as ALL are doing here, and watch what happens after our Bowl game, leading up to and through Spring and into fall practice. We'll get our answers somewhere along that time-line.
I didn't tell you not to discuss it, but don't go anointing one or the other without any shred of evidence in college.
Especially with Hyperbole as "the future of our program".
That is setting him up to fail, as he may never measure up to the unattainable standards of the message boards.
Jimbos offense makes ej such a worse qb. All these permutations are meant for a 27 yr old nfl player.
The top offenses are simple and rely on good playcalling instead of multiple reads.
My favorite example was ejs interception versus oklahoma where beau reliford made the wrong read on a 3 route option.
Beau reliford should never have an option to do anything. He should be told where to go.
If you want to let the qb change the play at the line that is fine but simplifying the offense would see us massively improve.
Ej thinks too Much and jimbo always says our execution is poor against good defenses. At what point is the playbook to blame?
I don't disagree, but why so quick to jump on Coach Trickett when Davonte Freeman is given an option on 3rd and 1, or when backed up against our end zone.
Everyone of my posts is my opinion. You can block me if you don't want to here my opinion. I am very blunt and say what I believe.
I really like Coker. I think Coker has what it takes to do a great job for us. I also think Winston is special.
I like Coker way more than I liked ej. I just think Winston has that special personality that makes me think of #17. Am I generally pessimistic (not tnoles pessimistic but versus the rest of the board) but Winston is a special player.
Every Comment I make is my opinion
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