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From what I have been told, as of right now Notre Dame to any conference is completely tied into the new BCS structure.
They are taking part in the BCS re-format talks, as an independent with a special provision, however they are one vote and do not have enough clout to sway anyone to any one model.
If it is a "Plus one" as most anticipate it will be, the ND "Special Provision" will go away, since it will take away from a BCS conf school invite. They will then have one of two options:
-Chance being a top 8 bcs ranked school each year, and getting in by earning it, instead of automatically by getting 9 wins (which i think is the number they ned now)
-Join a conference, which would mean they can gain entry by either winning a CCG, or being an at-large
The money here is about to sky rocket, so the conferences are not going to be in a very giving mood in as far as ND goes, which will then force them to pick a conference.
It comes down to 3 options, essentially:
B10, which has no schools in ND's largest market, the NE but does have two traditional rivals, Purdue and UM.
B12, same issue as the B10 in terms of market, ND has 3 big markets, in order the NE, Chicago and South Florida. If you pull their market share for NBC, you will see 80% of their viewership comes from those areas. Texas oddly could help create a very enticing package for ND to move here....BUT....
The one conference which hits all the hot buttons...the ACC. First of all the ACC in terms of what ND would want television wise, would concede to all terms. Secondly, ND has long standing rivalries in most sports with BC, Syracuse and Pitt, so you could have a scenario where UM is a H&H twice a decade, and Purdue stays on as their instate rival. Obviously the ACC footprint is all over ND's television market wheelhouse, and the intangibles are all there, very good academics and a major commitment to all non-revenue sports (very important as ND has made a big financial commitment there).
So yes I was being pesky by asking the two big questions, Will ND join a conference? What are the chances the ACC is the one?
Basically its on the BCS shake up and the ACC is and has been the likely destination.
What do you mean by "First of all the ACC in terms of what ND would want television wise, would concede to all terms"?
Are you saying that ND would continue to have a separate TV contract for home games but will be able to split the Championship bonuses earned by the conference? Not sure if I would go for that deal because I don't think it would help the conference renegotiate a better TV deal.
Would definitely be big for the ACC. With this the ACC would almost seems like a mix of the SEC and BIG. Think about it, traditional southern football influence with us, clem and so on. Then northern powers in ND, Pitt and so on. Could be the most diverse yet still traditional looking conferences in football. Does it translate to a good conference? Who knows, haha
No, I think in terms of revenue sharing, ND would get a bigger cut. The NBC deal would probably stay in palce, but would be reduced int erms of games, and then ND would probably seek to make up that revenue by having fewer games on the ACC deal, but get a bigger cut.
To be perfectly honest, its probably very fair, they bring 35,000 to their games at USC, nobody in the ACC can do that, hell nobody in the country maybe outside of 2-3 programs can do that.
They are in higer deamnd, much higher, so therefore they deserve a bigger share, not sure the B10 or B12 would ever go for that, but the ACC would, and trust me if ND is in the ACC, the conference WILL get a better deal, a much better deal. The ND brand carries a LOT of clout...a lot.
This post was edited by Pbenuncensored2 2 years ago
Do you think we shop NBC for the entire tv deal or do we just demand more from ABC/ESPN?
Also do you have faith in Swafford to push the issue to get us a deal we deserve?
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This was exactly the analogy i was given, and this was by soemone in the ND AD, you remember the scene in the Godfather part2, where the senator tries to extort money from Michael Coreleone, cause he thinks he has leverage? Swofford is the Senator here.
Thats not to say the ACC does not have leverage, but lets face facts, ND has ahistory of putting guns to peoples heads to get the deal it wants, and this would be the biggest conference acquisition in the history of College sports.
NBC is trying to put together a competitive model to go against ESPN, and they already have a established relationship with ND, so its not far fetched to think the ACC could end up being the anchor for NBC sports as far as college sports goes, I think I posted the proposed outline presented to me on that. Remember espn is part of ABC, which is one of NBC's chief ratings rivals.
I felt I already knew the answers to both questions before I asked. Thanks for confirming that.
Not to mention ND would perceive the ACC as a weak and easily winnable conference and they would immediately come in as one of the heavy hitters in football in the conference.
In the B10, they square off with Michigan, tOSU, PSU, and to a lesser extent Wisky.
In the B12, they have to deal with King Texas and OU.
In the ACC, the only real relevant powers are FSU and Miami and the tradition battle ND wins. VT and Clemson are small potatoes in terms of tradition and national appeal.
I want ND eventually but only if they come in as a partner rather than a conqueror.
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They won't come in as a conqueror, remember the bowl game last year?
ND Vs Clemson, Miami, FSU, VT would all be huge ratings. ND is one of the schools that can fill stadiums which is important, just ask Miami, Maryland and Boston College (soon Pitt and SU too) how important that is.
I really hope for FSU's sake that ND picks the ACC when all is said and done
The BCS leagues are tired of giving away lucrative BCS bids to 9 win ND teams and the decimated Big East for that matter.
NBC has no pull anymore in trying to keep ND in it since they lost out bidding on all the BCS bowls AND every 2nd,3rd,4th tier bowl games.
The Senior Bowl is now the jewel of their college post season lineup.....
I fully expect the power players to force ND's hand to either join a league or risk being on the outside looking in every year.
Whether anyone likes it or not the ACC and ND need each other to keep up with Joneses of College football payouts.
What a load of crap. How's the ACC go for that when they haven't allowed it for any other school? How is ND allowed to get some special treatment when "rumor" was that even Texas was told they would be treated like all other members if they joined the ACC last year?
If you let ND make more than everyone else you open up a huge can of worms. Why should Wake or BC earn as much money as FSU or UNC? There would have to be more than just the ND tier and the rest-of-the-ACC tier. It'd go against everything the ACC claims it stands for.
The only concession I could see, and the only one that would be fair, is if the ACC let ND keep their home games and air them on NBC and keep their NBC contract. All other ND games would be on ESPN/ABC. All schools could still make $20M (made up figure) that way. ND would have the $15M or so their NBC contract is worth plus an additional $5M from ESPN. The rest of the ACC schools would receive all $20M from ESPN.
That's the only way this makes sense. You're telling me ND has the leverage? Really? The school that is about to be locked out from ever having a legitimate chance of playing in a national title game? Both sides have some strength in this and some weakness. It would make sense for them to come to a middle ground, not for one side to strong arm the other.
as to Texas, having to add texas tech was the primary sticking point as to why there wasn't much in the way of negotiations.
also the remember the golden rule-whoever has the gold makes the rules. ND has lots of it and more importantly can bring the ACC lots if it.
We would cut a special deal to get them in within a nanosecond.
This post was edited by TNOLE27 2 years ago
Pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing!
I meant off the field not on. PBen already talking about them trying to take a bigger piece of the pie and be a king shit is exactly what I'm talking about. FSU, Clemson, and VT all pull their own weight in this conference in fan support. Why should ND be given special treatment?
This reeks of the issues with the Longhorn network that Texas tried to shop around to other conferences a few months ago.
ND just made a deal with the B-12 to take all of their non-revenue producing sports, so you know the B-12 will be the first in line to pull them in. That said, since we'd have 2 spots open we could sweeten the deal by telling ND that if they come we'd take another school that they would be happy with. What about Navy? I know they just joined the Big East, but they're an eastern school and a traditional rival of ND and would be a natural rival of Maryland.
If WF and Bc see a 10% revenue bump due to ND coming into the league, why would they argue about ND getting a bigger cut?
These are rough numbers...ND gets roughly from Boston to DC, about 1.5million households when they play someone like Navy. Now that may be "only" 4-5% of the available television sets in that area, but that is probably 10 times more than a WF-BC game will draw.
Now when you present that to a conference, it sort of takes away the whole "Well everyone gets a fair share" argument.
You may not like it, which is why you think its crap, but ND outdraws anyone the ACC has currently, and it is not even close.
I don't believe that ever happened, it was talked about last fall when it looked like the big east was going to fall apart but I haven't seen or heard anything about it since.
I agree with tricknole but I have a feeling ND will come to these meetings as grumpy and arrogant as usual and finding middle ground won't be their primary objective.
Where did you hear this?
When? I found nothing about that.
It was rumored, never materialized.
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