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By run him, what do you mean? The reason I ask, those roll outs all night were horrible. I hate that play, hate it in the NFL and anywhere I see it. A designed roll out just cuts your field in half and makes it so much easier for the D to cover you. How exactly do you think EJ should be run? Like scrambling? or designed QB draws?
Designed QB runs.
They frequently work very well for us. But even if they don't, I believe I've noticed that they seem to get EJ more into the flow of the game, get him to play more instinctively.
The thinking-too-much thing--I think it has a lot of validity with EJ. And there ARE ways to get him to go instinctive and stop being an intellectual QB. No-huddle seems to do it, and designed runs do too.
agree with the way we are using EJ is lacking. Looking at the td drives to end both haves...more of that up tempo style seems to be best and let things just flow insread of overthinking.
This post was edited by sterling9000 17 months ago
actually that is exactly what you said. period.
EJ is the #2 rated QB by NCAA stats. He hit about 65% of his passes last night. He threw 3 TD's. He had 1 Int. EJ was constantly pressured. Yet he still throws for over 300 yards and he " Can't throw". WTH do some of you want a 100% passer. You'll never get it and you'll never be happy. Thomas was beating our defense with his arm and EJ won the battle with his. Sheesh. Hope our next QB is not very good just like EJ.
Lost in this whole mess about EJ and his stats is the main stat that counts.
EJ is 22-5 as a starter and FSU is 16-2 in its last 18 games with its losses coming by one point each. Without looking it up, my guess is the only other QB in the country that has done better over that span would be AJ McCarron.
Say what you want about his pocket awareness, accuracy, etc. (which I'm not discounting btw), the guy has some moxie and has made enough plays to be a winner at the most important position on the field. Especially when you consider the inconsistencies around him.
Atlanta nails it. EJ under threw 2 balls that cost us a 14-0 lead despite being completions. We wind up with too many field goals because of this. Many of his completions the receivers have to stop and wait for the ball which hurts yac and minimizes big plays. We have guys wide open on most plays which is why I don't have a major problem with play calling although it's not perfect. VT was run blitzing and forcing EJ to beat us with his arm, luckily he finally did at the end but that was a game he could have thrown for 500 with all the man coverage we saw.
The lack of pocket presence, never throwing it away, seeing the rush and running 5 yards backwards are instincts that hurt the offense. When you have seen a QB with his mobility take so many sacks and almost never make a play with his feet on a scramble to run for a big gain or find someone open once he escapes the pocket?
He also has the best group of receivers in the country east of USC which certainly help.
Amen brother!!! When the ball has been put in his hands and said go win this, he has done more than his fair share?
I'm Ron burgundy?
EJ doesnt suck but he is frustrating to watch because he could be so much better. The problem with EJ is between the ears, and I'm not talking about intelligence. Im talking about poise. Yes VT blitzed like crazy but that is an OPPORTUNITY for a QB to burn a defense. EJ finally did it on the last drive, but for the most part EJ is a deer in the headlights against the blitz. A great QB would have baited the hell of the defense and burned them. Some of that is on Fisher....he shoulda had the back roll out on a swing pass every down to give EJ an easy dump off......still, it was clear that VT was blitzing almost every damn down and EJ didnt do anything different to adjust to it. On the flip side, when EJ has a ton of time he is deasly on the short and medium throws but struggles with the long ball. We should have had a touchdown in the first half but he way underthrew a wide open receiver and we settled for a FG. A great QB simply doesnt miss that easy opportunity.
I think people on this board have forgotten how bad QB play can get.
EJ's not a Heisman QB, and it did a diservice to him to suggest that he ever was (same with CP7). But he's probably one of the top 20 QBs in the nation, and teams like USCe and LSU would kill to have him. Do I think he is a gamechanger? No, I don't. But if people are expecting nothing short of RGIII then people will be very disappointed for a long time.
Right. Let him go out and have a 3 pick night like Rix, or a 6 pick night like Weinke. Fans would try to noose him.
"It's not the SEC conference vs. the ACC conference," "It's Florida State vs. Auburn." --Lamarcus Joyner
I think we tend to contradict ourselves on these message boards. In the same breath we are angry about not being NC contenders and then we defend EJ because he may be slightly above average. If your bench mark to judge QB is Chris Rix, then I agree, EJ is great. But you aren't winning NC with Rix and you aren't with EJ and that is the point. You mention Weinke. Does anyone question that we would be undefeated with this team with Weinke?
With this team and with his talent, I expect him to be better than a top 20 qb. He has too many weapons. People are talking about the last pass. Yes, it was a great pass. That is the frustrating aspect of his game. He CAN play like a top 5 qb but he doesn't have the consistency. He CAN make all the throws. But he doesn't.
But I say again, QB position is more than that. The Virginia game last year, he takes a sack to knock us out of fg range. A RS Junior can't take that sack. The INT against VT at the 5 yard line. On 3rd and goal from the 9, you can't have your Senior qb throwing a ball to a crowded receiver at the 5 yard line with no hopes of scoring a TD. Its risk reward and he made a Freshman decision.
These don't show up in stats. If people are satisfied with being a top 10 team, I think you should be satisfied with EJ as your qb. If you want to be a top 5 team with hopes to be a NC contender, you need more from your qb.
Get your point but bad terminology to use on a black man!!
These are fair points. EJ is not as good as a lot of posters around here seem to think, and his decision making and ability to read defenses seem erratic. But I don't think that when we look back at this year we will say that the reason we didn't win a NC is because of EJ.
EJ's performance may be part of the reason why we struggle at times, but I blame coaches for that as much as EJ himself.
Next year a lot of people who think EJ is average or worse will be wishing we still had him.
Some of you guys are clueless.
As Aivlys said, when he's gone you'll wish you had him.
Sounds like a country singers changing light bulbs, takes one to change the bulb and a bunch t sing about how much they miss the old one.
Appreciate what you have.
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