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maize, he sounds solid... really solid. Best of luck.
I'll be shocked if B10 recruiting doesn't change massively with Urban at OSU, I have a feeling that it is going to become much more cut throat. Urban has obviously broken the gentleman's agreement among B10 coaches and they will have a choice either start actively recruiting other teams committed players or allow OSU to dominate B10 recruiting. Obviously Hoke can't afford to allow OSU to dominate recruiting and will therefore reply in kind. Once Michigan starts habitually recruiting other teams committed players and encourages them to visit Ann Arbor the hypocrisy of the no other visits rule will cause it to fail. Btw I don't expect FSU to get the guy to even visit at this point.
We did the same thing as Urban last year but the difference is that Michigan does not negatively recruit like other schools. Also there is no gentlemen's agreement, only the coaches who lost recruits think there is a gentlemen's agreement.
I bet Coach Hoke went over this with him during the meeting and if not his high school coach will.
Tom Whithers? Who in the world is Tom Whithers? Cass Tech's head coach is named Tom Wilcher. And while Cass Tech is generally a Michigan pipeline, they also send players to other schools. Vernon Gholston went to Ohio State, Dior Mathis went to Oregon, Ruben Liles and Laron Taylor went to Iowa. Acting like Michigan can't lose Cass Tech kids is ridiculous. As for Hoke's policy of pulling scholarships of players that visit elsewhere, it's a hypocritical and counterproductive strategy. In fact, I don't think you can consistently recruit elite talent with such a policy. The elite kids are turned off by it....completely. You mentioned earlier Royce Jenkins-Stone and Terry Richardson. They both were upset about not being able to not visit other schools. Michigan almost lost one of them because of the idiotic policy. Michigan DID end up losing their most athletic DL prospect in Pharaoh Brown to Oregon for the same reason. I'm not so sure why people always get so exicited about CT kids anyway. They usually are complete busts in college and usually don't come in very well coached at all (although this is changing). Michigan in particular has had absolutely terrible luck with kids from Cass Tech. Dawson comes back to Cass Tech after some time at Cypress Creek and will be well ahead of most of his peers in the Detroit PSL. I think he's a solid player, but I know he definitely wants to visit other schools. We'll see if Hoke is naive enough to actually pull his scholarship. I hope he does. It just shows that Michigan is not committed to playing big boy football.
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Knew I didn't get his name right but at least I was close. Vernon Gholston was angry that he didn't get an offer from Michigan until late in the process and badly wanted out of the state of Michigan. Dior Mathis wanted nothing to do with Rich Rod which isn't surprising since Rich Rod turned off just about every coach in the state. Neither Ruben Liles or Laron Taylor had Michigan offers. Also Hoke's rule is great because it prevents kids from looking around. If you want to take visits to commit, it is simple. Obviously elite recruits aren't turned off by it because they are still committing. Dawson was only in Houston for one year btw. Michigan hasn't really had that bad of luck with Cass Tech kids, Big Will Campbell was ruined by the first coaching staff because they kept switching him back and forth from offense to defense and refused to let him play until he lost weight. I know for a fact that Dawson will not be taking any other visits because he is committed to Michigan and will remain committed to Michigan throughout the process. Also FSU is one to talk about Big Boy football you guys under preform every year and neglect your biggest needs. When's the last time you guys won a BCS game?
and I thought OSU fans were dense
Maize, we've won 19 games in the last 2 seasons while being hit with the worst injury bug on O in the ACC last year. I watched all of your games in the past 5 years...Michigan fans have nothing to brag about...including last season.
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It is a fact that many elite recruits are turned off by a policy of pulling offers from kids that visit other schools. Do you disagree with this statement? Hoke's "rule" is one that is not used by elite programs. It may keep some kids in the fold, but it virtually disqualifies Michigan in the eyes of a lot of the top kids. I'm not sure how one could even argue that. Your comment about FSU's so called underacheiving is really irrelevant. I'm talking about recruiting ALONE, not what one does with it. FSU is recruiting a more elite athlete than Michigan and will continue to do so. I would not be happy if Jimbo adopted Hoke's antiquated policy. It shows a misunderstanding of the contemporary recruiting situation and probably would have cost FSU Jameis Winston, Mario Edwards, Mario Pender, Eddie Goldman, Ronald Darby, etc. Whether you want to admit it or not, Hoke's policy is not a model most would follow.
As for your other comments, I never stated that Laron Taylor or Ruben Liles were offered by Michigan. It doesn't matter whether they were or not - they weren't going to go to Michigan either way. The only point is that Cass Tech is not the 100% Michigan pipleline some make it out to be. I actually think Dawson will stick with Michigan. In fact, weeks ago, I stated that he'd commit to Michigan if he got an offer. However, it is an UNDENIABLE fact that he wants to take other visits. You would know that if you talked to him. It'll be interesting to see how Hoke handles that. Please don't take my post personally. I actually always thought Hoke was the right man for the Michigan job even when most Michigan fans excoriated the possibility. I just don't think his recruiting policy is good in the long run. I think it works right now to some degree because he's selling a dream and has a ton of playing time to offer. Michigan's roster is a disaster. Once the overall talent level is higher, potential playing time decreases, and the honeymoon period ends, I see Hoke's policy as incredibly naive. This is especially so with Urban Meyer down at OSU. Meyer has to love that Hoke is doing that.
Look at our 2013 class and tell me Michigan can't recruit like FSU.
I wouldn't get too excited...it's only February. Still plenty of time for Urby to steal em.
I think you are giving Urban too much credit, once the kids commit they all become family. Same thing happened last year and we only lost 3 commits, one because of academics, another because he visited another school without telling anyone and the last because he wanted to stay home and go to Cincy.
Urban is getting wayyyyyyyyyyy too much credit for "stealing recruits", he got Pittman from MSU (who was only there because of the mess that Tressell and TP made) and then devoured PSU's class because of obvious reasons. He managed to flip one other person who was an Ohio native and lifelong Ohio fan. Urbie doesn't have his best recruiter from Florida (Mattison) and doesn't have Timmy Tebow to bail him out anymore. I predict many more "health problems" in his very near future.
The whole Urban thing is more of an inside joke for the Nole fans. Mainly because he was beating our ass on the trail before he left. Btw I think not allowing commits to visit other schools is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. How pompous and arrogant can a staff be to not let a kid enjoy the experience??
maize, it's just one class and we're less than 1 month into it.
I'm really impressed with what you did on D last year; and I like what you're building on O for 2013 (esp. QB & OL). I'm looking forward to 2013 where we finally see what Borges' west-coast, pro-style O looks like with the players you're recruiting... I'm not impressed with your current O: DRob drop-back, check off 3 WRs, then *depend* on DRob to scramble for a first down.
Michigan got 8 commitments this weekend
But one was named Taco and one named Butt , that takes away from the accomplishment a little bit
Until Denard graduates our Offense will be one dimensional because when he gets into the game and is pressured he throws off his back foot and his accuracy and arm strength disappears.
Well if you still want to take visits than you aren't committed to the school, simple as that. It is like being engaged and still going on dates with other girls.
In theory that is a good policy, but in practice it could cost you.
For example we may have lost Mario Edwards last year if we didnt allow him to visit elsewhere. Notre Dame lost 5 star DB Ronald Darby because of this. They are 18 year olds, if for nothing else let them have free vacations. As someone who lives in Michigan, at least let them get out of Michigan's winter for a weekend or two
I guess it is just the coaching staff we have at Michigan that makes it different, they are like a bunch of fathers up there. Most of the kids don't have a problem with it because of the great family atmosphere and they don't get the urge to look around.
You sound awful confident for a team that had one pretty good year playing a weak schedule.
Look, I have no problems with Michigan, I live about 15-20 minutes from Ann Arbor, I watched every Michigan game from when I was 5 or so until I graduated HS. Michigan was one of my favorite teams. Since moving back to Michigan last year, I have watched a few Michigan games again. I was in attendance for the UM-MSU game this year. Michigan is Michigan, they are always going to be above average (except when RR is there). Michigan should be recruiting like they are now every year and should have been doing it every year in the past. Michigan fans are acting like its unprecedented the way they are recruiting now, yet teams like FSU, USC, Florida, Texas, Ohio St, etc do it year in and year out. Michigan has the history where they should be doing it as well.
And your coaches have been there one year, ONE YEAR, give it time, every program has decommits. Wait until your staff is in place for more than one year. Not letting kids visit elsewhere is another risk added to players decommiting.
maize, suppose (yes, this is hypothetical) that Shane Morris wanted to visit some school. Would you want Hoke to pull his offer (for simply visiting)? If I were a Michigan fan, I wouldn't.
I don't have to worry about that but he would just lose his spot and have to take a bunch of visits to Michigan again and have a couple meetings with the coaches to get back in the class.
This post was edited by MaizeandBlue21 2 years ago
omg, just came to the board looking for FSU info on Levenberry and stumbled on this....SORRY for this maize&blue21, not all Michigan fans are a-holes like that.
I've always liked FSU, and quite frankly I think we should all get along. The best thing we have in common right now- our hatred for Urban Meyer. That should bring everyone together.
Great post. All throughout the 80's, 90's, and early 00's, Michigan used to recruit just as good as they are right now. I still remember there 1998 recruiting class when they landed the USA Today/Superprep #1 QB - Drew Henson, #1 WR - David Terrell, #2 WR - Marquise Walker, #1 RB - Justin Fargas, Victor Hobson - #1 LB, and Larry Foote - #4 LB.
Lloyd Carr got lazy in his final years of recruiting, and then Rich Rodriguez came in and just destroyed the entire thing.
As you pointed out, Hoke is recruiting really well at Michigan, but he should be....that's his job!
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