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So many thoughts, so little space and time...
I agree with the poster above that started stating personal priorities, but I think we need to look at it in terms of the Universities priorities. As stated by someone earlier, I think they go in this order
(1) Obtain AAU status and all the financial/research benefits therein. This is probably the most difficult thing facing the university to date. Unfortunately for us, TK lacked the desire/ability to raise academic progress and funding and started us on a downslide that we have just now halted and reversed. If we had Sandy and then transitioned to Barron before, I wonder where we would be academically now.
(2) Find balance between the academic needs/desires and the athletic departments needs/desires. As has been stated many a time with those in positions of knowledge, the faculty/staff currently residing at FSU WILL have a say in whether we change conferences or not. Should that be important since conferences are really athletic leagues and not academic ones is debatable. However, as fans, we really have no say in the matter. There will have to be a balance among the desires of the academics and the booster/alumni on if there will be any change. You may not believe it, but there are plenty of people that care about univeristy, but could care less about athletics..shocking I know.
(3) make the best possible choice for LONG TERM VIABILITY and not just short term gains. The fan in me would like nothing more than for us to be in the BigXII for the games, or the SEC for the rivalries. The ACC games just completely suck and we all know it. Those "poo-pooing" the thought of the B1G because of distance and no established rivalries, but screaming to the rooftops to go to the BigXII are extremely short-sighted and not really paying attention. The B1G, though not a likely suitor, is EVERYTHING the BigXII would be to us with the addition of what the ACC is to us academically and would be a homerun for both the Faculty/Staff and the athletic department. In fact, I would say the alumni/booster would be MUCH more inclined to visit B1G destination cities than they would BigXII cities. I know it is a pipe-dream, but so is all the rest of this until something happens now isn't it?
From a Barron/BOT standpoint, I think you are looking at the following in order of preference:
(2) ACC wi/ full member Notre Dame
(4) Big XII with Clemson, GT, UM and maybe other ACC schools coming with us
(5) BigXII with no guarantee of additional partners
(6) ACC as it currently stands
This is why I think we are in a delicate situation and why everything is at a standstill or pause. Right now our only possibilities seem to be #5 or #6 and that is just not ideal so we wait to see if 1 through 4 becomes possibly in that order.
This post was edited by Dal4fsu 16 months ago
Best post I have seen on the entire topic in a long time.
So your advocating a conference move based on a sport?
This is what I don't understand, or maybe I am just obtuse.
Great post and up vote, however, I just think this ship has sailed.
I believe Brian Eldridge's account is right... and that we were ready to go over the Summer with Clemson... and the promise of Notre Dame caused Clemson to balk.
I also believe his account that we are committed to going there now, without Clemson… and think it happens this off-season.
The long term financial interest lie with us being in a competitive conference, playing teams who are good, so we can secure playoff births. The better the competition, the more margin of error we have throughout the year. The college playoffs are going to yield FAR MORE money than people realize right now.The Big10 has been trending down for 15+ years now, and nothing has pointed to that changing. We jump over to the next ACC, our booster money falls, and we have trouble selling our tickets… We jump into a competitive conference, booster contributions go up, we can expand doak, and make more $$.
If I had to choose between academics and competitive football, I’d choose football every time. If I wanted Academics, I’d go to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. You can’t be the jack of all trades and be the best.
Did you attend FSU?
Not trying to start a fight or anything, but I find it really interesting someone would choose entertainment over education.
I guess we are on polar opposites, because I would give up football to be an elite academic university. I love our football team don't get me wrong, but I would be more proud of being in the top 25 public universities, over winning another national championship.
Honestly, we are leaving for one sport: Football. That is because football is driving the bus.
Bringing ok st to town will put a lot more people in the seats that wake is putting in seats when they show up. I think the same is true for Mich, Mich st Oh st Penn st, etc.
Has anyone estimated how many more millions we will get from gate receipts over a decade?
If Academics is a big factor why would we ever want to go to the SEC?
In all fairness, the one thing that is certain is Barron has been underestimated by a multitude of FSU fans.
Jimbo's contract negotiation, conference realignment, The Wiggins visit, Barron is all over it .
Lastly, I am not saying the sEc is a slam dunk or anything like that. However, it is more possible than generally thought. I would bet on FSU being in the SEC before the big 10.
However, I still think it will be the big 12 in the end.
This post was edited by TNOLE27 16 months ago
Well unfortunately for you, the people charged with this decision do not share your viewpoint.
So are you saying FSU is just a football factory, nothing more? This line of thinking usually lands schools on probation.
I agree with everything you are trying to say, but lets not go so far as to pretend the ACC hasn't helped us out at all. For the same reason the FB competition is holding our FB program back, the basketball comp brought our BB program forward. We are ACC Champions for the first time ever. Furthermore, we are getting a shot at program changing talent now in BB largely because these players want to compete for ACC titles and Final Four trips.
I'm not saying this is worth staying in this conference. Just raising the point that conference identity works both ways and we have benefitted from ACC on that formula...just not in FB.
I have a question for those that know more on this subject. What does conference affiliation have to do with academic success? Has the ACC helped us academically? Honestly don't have a clue how this works. I'm all for AAU and academic advancement BTW, just curious how ACC helps us move that needle. After 20 years, I would've expected more progress already if that we're possible through ACC alignment.
Not publicly, but we will see how it turns out.... they are going to make the choice that puts them in the best financial position, over anything... and I sincerely believe that's the football path.
Make sure to remind me this offseason, once it goes down.
I did attend (Accounting)
In life, I've learned that your degree gets you in the door and has little to nothing to do with your success after that. Where it came from is irrelevant in 99.9% of the situations.
Genetics, hard work, and motivation determine where you land...and college has very little impact on the hand you were dealt (other than selecting people who are predispositioned to have the genetic qualities likely to succeed). A public university will never compete with Ivy league, nor should it try.
Just remember this, if the B12 was such a slam dunk, than why is the admin so worried about leaving the geographic footprint of our alumni/fan base?
Because booster and alumni donations are what schools survive on, not television contracts for sports, all these things need to be factored in, before a decision is made, obviously if it were soley based on TV contracts, we would of bolted already.
B12 guys can make the case with (forgive me here) "slightly" inflated football numbers, but what do you think pays the bills? Did Jimbo go to the school prez to get more money for Eliot to try and get him to stay? No he dialed up the booster Prez.
After 1 tour of the B12, you think fans are going to be fired up for the big game with...Kansas? Iowa St? Baylor (sorry Brian, RG3 left)? TTU? Heck TCU and WVU don't even do much for me. Okie St..maybe depends, Kansas St, as long as Snyder stays, but seriously how much longer is that, and look what happened when he left. Leaves an overhyped Texas and an above average OU.
Basically best case if we went, we take some dance partners with us, worst case is we go alone and our stuck in the middle of no mans land.
Texas runs the show there, and from everything I have heard they are not onboard with expanding, and why should they be, whats in it for them? So consider all of this before getting all jello legged over 6-mill more in TV money annually.
"England expects that every man will do his duty."
- Vice Admiral Horatio Nelson, Royal Navy
I'm as big an FSU sports fan as anyone; hell I'm one of "those guys" that get the "looks" from people around me at games sometimes for being too loud and such, but this is an assinine statement. Yes your degree is what you make of it, but your school is NOT about football!
FSU is a UNIVERSITY and I care as much about it academically as I do athletically. For you to say that is part of the problem here with regard to what I was saying about being short-sighted. FSU doesn't "revolve" around the football team; it is merely a major part of the schools draw and reputation. Honestly, I would be MUCH prouder to be associated with FSU if it academically was thought of in line with Michigan, Stanford, Duke, John's Hopkin's, etc then for it to just be a "football factory". Come on man!
I'm a soulless bastard, who prescribes no greater intrinsic value to college….Because for me, there were much more efficient ways to go about educating myself. Unfortunately, there is no universally recognized certification system which would have allowed me to forgo the process and prove my competency, without jumping through the hoops of going to class & getting a degree.
Forcing people like me to go that route to succeed in life... almost causes us to lose empathy for the good it does… in regards to the people who learn differently (can’t teach themselves) and need a tutor (aka teacher) in order to comprehend. Luckily, it didn’t completely break me, and I respect that other people get something out of it…
I love and care for FSU football. I value my education more than I value football, but since my education didn’t come from the college, I have to try extra hard to be unselfish and put other people’s education over my love of football. I just don’t know. Greater good of mankind vs. Football…. Such a tough call.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by FsuFanForever 16 months ago
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