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What is the take from FSU fans if the rumors of FSU/Clemson to the Big 12 are correct?
Numbers we're hearing are in the $30 million per team for 1st and 2nd tier and 3rd tier is still the schools choice to sale/market/etc...
What rumors are you hearing?
June/July announcement of FSU/Clemson joining and leaving the ACC.
The rumors are wishful thinking from B12 teams. No ACC school has even heard anything about leaving other than things that fans from the B12 bring up.
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death, I assure you, it is much more serious than that."
This was posted on another board (not a 247/rivals/scout/etc type of team forum, either)
I thought that you FSU fans might be interested in this information:
Clemson and FSU to The Big XII is very, very close to reality. This is what I know (not speculation). This information is from an Athletic Director from a current Big XII school.
During the recent BCS meetings, a 4 team playoff format was discussed. The proposed format included the following (all things are still under discussion and subject to change):
1. No conferences will have AQ status
2. Multiple teams from 1 conference can qualify for playoffs
3. An RPI formula (similar to college basketball) was used to determine qualifiers
4. Venues included Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl and possibly GA Dome - No Orange Bowl
They took the last 10 years of statistics to determine which schools over the last 10 years would have qualified under this format. An alarming finding for Swofford and the ACC was that only 1 ACC school in the last 10 years would have qualified for the playoffs - last year's Clemson team. The Big East had more qualifiers over this time span. This point was hammered and driven home to Clemson and FSU by Big XII officials. - If you want to compete and play for a national championship under the playoff format that is coming, you will have to leave the ACC.
This left Swofford scrambling to find a way to keep the ACC viable and intact as a major player in football. However, there was only one conclusion that seemed to achieve that result - talk Notre Dame into joining the conference. At the moment, Notre Dame would like to remain independent, so it will not be an easy task. But again, this is the only team that can add the relevant interest (viewers and dollars) to keep the ACC alive as a football conference.
With the additions of Syracuse and Pittsburgh, the ACC has been trying to renegotiate it's TV deal with ESPN. Those talks have now come to a halt, and is looking like it may end up going in front of an arbitrator. Has ESPN caught wind of the possible defections of the ACC most profitable football members?
So what does all this mean? I was told the following (again, by an AD that was at the meetings and involved in the discussions): There is a very high percentage chance that both Clemson and FSU leave the ACC to join the Big XII. The money per team will be almost double what the ACC is able to offer - and that does not include independent 3rd tier deals that Clemson and FSU will work out on their own. There is also a 3rd ACC school involved in the mix to join the Big XII. However, that school is being chosen from a couple of different possibilities. If those defections do indeed occur, look for two ACC school to leave and join the SEC. The SEC has their eye on 2 in particular. Louisville will most likely be the 14th team added to the Big XII. This could also force Notre Dame to join a conference. There is a 90% chance they would join the B1G. The B1G would actually be quite happy sitting at an odd number (13) with the addition of Notre Dame.
The talk of division alignment and common opponents have also began. Common cross-divisional opponents that have been discussed are the following:
Clemson vs Oklahoma
Florida State vs Texas
West Virginia vs TCU
The Big XII feels that those would be major, nationally relevant games that would bring both the conference and schools national exposure year after year - to the same level as the SEC currently gets.
The Big XII has meetings upcoming. Look for rumors to start heating up immediately following those meetings; and continue to stay hot and heavy. Announcements could come during the beginning of football season (Sept-Oct).
This is a very fluid situation with plenty of moving parts - so things can change any day. But as of today, it is looking very very likely that this will happen. An in terms of the growth and success of both FSU and Clemson football, this would be a GREAT thing.
I have no insight into the veracity of the statements. But there is more chatter out there.
I wonder how close this is to happen? I know FSU is not happy with the ACC. When there is smoke...
Also I would think the SEC would want FSU.
This post was edited by gobucs84 23 months ago
Acc teams not being any good would be the reason they wouldnt have qualified for a playoff system. I dont think it has anything to do with the actual conference. If FSU, Clemson, VT or any team really, win there going to be highly ranked. That just hasnt been the case as of late.
And you thought FSU got screwed by the ACC officials before? Imagine what would happen during 2012 if this became official beforehand.
I'm kinda mixed on the situation.
I think it would benefit FSU financially with TV contracts to join the Big XII. But, I don't like the travel situations with the closest opponent being Clemson, then...?? Ticket sales would be great for FSU-UT every other year in Tally, but what would the conference alignment look like?
North-South as it is now? East-West, maybe? Logistically I'm not sure how it would work. It looks great financially though.
Burley Nole 4 Life!
East/West with a couple other ACC teams in tow.
I can see this happening if Miami was added and GT at least considered. Then we would take all of our local rivals with us and leave nobody behind. The B-12 would add the rich Miami market for both recruiting and viewers, the rest of Florida, Atlanta/Georgia and South Carolina.
The SEC already has the Florida market. The name of the game now is money and that means expanding your conference footprint and adding new markets. Thus programs like FSU, Clemson, GT, and Miami are not going to be on the top of their list. I think the SEC wants to see how 14 works first before going any further unless they're forced to do so immediately.
The rumored new BCS structure involves an RPI calculation, and that is what is going to make it harder for programs in conferences like the Big East and the ACC to get high enough up in the polls to get into the playoff. Not impossible, just harder. With the elimination of AQs making it even harder still to get a piece of the big money pie.
Not saying this is for sure going to happen, and you can bet that fans in the Big 12 as well as their leadership at their institutions very much want to have Clemson and FSU join the family. So to say some of this isn't being shaped by hope on our side would be disingenuous.
Ultimately FSU and Clemson and any other member added would make more in the Big 12 than in the ACC. Considerably more it sounds like. I too don't want new members out on an island like WVU is right now. The more neighbors and partners they have the better. Thus why I'd like to get to 14 so new members don't feel cut off from the league. I also hope we move the conference headquarters out of Texas so as to make it more centrally located.
My two pennies.
Pro Ecclesia, Pro Mundus
Take the Big 12 offer (if extended) and run with it - if the SEC really wanted FSU / Clemson, it would have approached FSU by now... The $$$$ (dearth of revenue)is what worries me if FSU Admin sits and waits around...
"England expects that every man will do his duty."
- Vice Admiral Horatio Nelson, Royal Navy
Any clue who the other ACC teams would be? As Noleville mentioned above, I would prefer UM and either GT or VT. The rest can stay where they are at in the ACBC (Atlantic Coast Basketball Conference).
I could see the BIG XII adding FSU, Clumpson, scUM, and GT along with Louisville. With the SEC adding VT and UVa.
The ACC would then probably raid the Big Easy again or the two conferences would merge...wouldn't that be funny for Cuse and Pitt. haha!
and $2 million is the estimate for increased travel.
If anything FSU is playing the ACC to get more power or they are playing the Big12 to get an SEC invite.
Throw out the "new" market arguement: The SEC will invite FSU before letting another "major" conference enter their footprint. Even if the SEC doesnt gain marketshare, FSU is a major national brand.
"Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers
Swofford screwed the ACC with the last deal in which he cared about keeping Raycom (where his son works) alive over keeping up with the other top leagues.
I still think this is very doubtful but will go along for discussion sake.
The Big 12 needs to get back to 12 teams to hold a championship which generates huge profits and there is no one of real worth left outside of Boise St (travel nightmare and small market), BYU (scheduling nightmare) Notre Dame (not interested in Big 12), UConn (begging to join ACC), Rutgers (weak teams but brings New York market), and Louisville (would jump at 1st offer to leave Big East).
PAC 12, B1G and SEC members are rolling in cash from new TV revenue and have no incentive to leave which means the ACC is the only conference not keeping up with the Joneses moneywise.
FSU and Clemson are obvious choices for a 2 team expansion with Ga Tech next on the list. Miami may want to stick with the ACC to appeal to it's NYC alumni so the next would be Va Tech that the SEC may go hard after as well. NC State is the only North Carolina school I could see leaving the ACC and the SEC will target them as well.
So this would be my prediction if (a big if) the ACC gets raided.
Big 12 grabs 4 in FSU, Clemson, Ga Tech and Louiville
SEC grabs 2 from Va Tech, Maryland and NC State
ACC grabs UConn and Rutgers
Are your contacts saying this is more than a 50 percent chance of happening?
And I wouldn't want to go to a conference with unequal revenue sharing.
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We've been hearing rumblings for 3-4 months, but one of our sources said to watch the meetings last weekend and if the AQ was tossed it would set the wheels in motion. Well, the AQ was tossed and more smoke is rising.
I wouldn't mind if we were in the top level of the inequality.
"...just played physical football. That's Florida State football. That's the standard from now on! It never goes back!" - Jimbo Fisher
Of course the ACC wouldn't have a qualifier but one time in the last 8 years. The ACC has been terrible, and has not had a power house team in the equation in a long time.
Put it like this. If FSU loses 1 game, the press, with our talent level, will absolutely have us as a top 4 football team. We may have the lowest RPI, but in a given year, there aren't typically more than 4 teams with 1 loss or less. A 1 loss FSU always beats out a 1 loss Boise State or TCU.
End of the day, FSU still has an easy path to MNCs.
In fact, in this years system, I'd argue that USC and FSU have easier roads to the National Championship game than an SEC school. Because the odds of an SEC team going undefeated this year are low. The odds that USC and FSU do, are likely higher. And therefore, if either FSU or USC is undefeated, both would go over a 1 loss SEC team. If both are undefeated, the SEC stays home this year.
Be glad FSU gets all that hype with recruiting rankings and media. Because the media would absolutely vote us in over a 1 loss SEC school.
uf would do everything in their power to block FSU from joining the sec. hell, they would have dropped us as an opponent a long time ago if they were allowed to. pansies.
"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Would rather go to the Big 12 than stay in the ACC. This conference sucks.
"It's not the SEC conference vs. the ACC conference," "It's Florida State vs. Auburn." --Lamarcus Joyner
i wont happen, it would get vetoed. some SEC schools have an agreement with each other to all veto any of those teams rivals if there is a chance they might join the SEC. basically florida, georgia, USC would join together and veto FSU, GT and clemson from joining. i also remember hearing that bama and auburn would also veto it.
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