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Austin Barron, what did the recruiting experts not see?

  • atgreek said... (original post)

    Recruiting is a team effort.

    Agreed, but our staff as a whole may very well have put an increased emphasis on OL recruiting last year, relative to other positions.

    Been casually watching some of the game on DVR and like you guys am impressed with Barron. Definitely a nice find by Trickett and the staff. This staff definitely has an eye for talent. Freeman, Erving, Brooks, McCloud, Rhodes, Barron and Werner have all far exceeded their status as recruits when the staff offered them.

    Imagine that Stork will be out next week too, I wonder if Barron will hold it down the rest of the year.

  • atgreek said... (original post)

    Analysts only see highlight tape or camps.

    A ton of kids go to schools that can't afford to provide the DVDs and the kids have no means to go to these camps.

    There a lot of good football players that get missed, every year.

    Very true and welcome back.....

  • atgreek said... (original post)

    Analysts only see highlight tape or camps.

    A ton of kids go to schools that can't afford to provide the DVDs and the kids have no means to go to these camps.

    There a lot of good football players that get missed, every year.

    That's true for most prospects but he played at St. Thomas who had a number of games on TV and is in one of the biggest recruiting hot beds in the country. In addition, his HC was very consistant in his praise. Don't forget his old HC is considered by some to be one of the greatest HS HC of all time.

    The person who should be pissed is Golden, St. Thomas has UM homers all over it's program and not one guy said, you need to check out this kid.

  • PVBNole said... (original post)

    That's true for most prospects but he played at St. Thomas who had a number of games on TV and is in one of the biggest recruiting hot beds in the country. In addition, his HC was very consistant in his praise. Don't forget his old HC is considered by some to be one of the greatest HS HC of all time.

    The person who should be pissed is Golden, St. Thomas has UM homers all over it's program and not one guy said, you need to check out this kid.

    we really have no idea how good Barron is going to be (or if he is going to be good at all) he looked good for a true Freshman PLAYING A TERRIBLE FOOTBALL TEAM. yes, terrible.

    The fact he started is yet another symptom of trickett's terrible recruiting, that's all it shows.

    If he plays well in Gainesville then I will agree we have found, our what, 3rd diamond (out of about a dozen) in the rough. If he doesn't, then the future will tell if he is really any good. a bad performance in Gainesville may just mean he wasn't ready to face a real defense.

    Just so we can all agree on a good ol peformance in gainesville-going north of 180 on the ground.

    It is clear that you want everyone else to bow before the Trickett alter, but the results on the field for 5 years don't warrant the adulation.

    actually, given how very, very far the ol is behind the rest of the team after trickett's five years and how much the ol is holding this team back (alex, I'll take Clemson for 29 yds please, no, how about ou for 46 yds), he should be on the clock that is rapidly ticking down.

    I suspect he is not so let us hope our future ol classes look at least as good as last year.l

    I suspect if another coach (Odell comes to mind) had a position group performing this badly most of these same posters would be calling for his head.

    If people pointed out the lack of talent on the dl it would be [correctly] stated that getting the Jimmies and the Joes to FSU is part of the job.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by TNOLE27 3 years ago

  • TNOLE27 said... (original post)

    we really have no idea how good Barron is going to be (or if he is going to be good at all) he looked good for a true Freshman PLAYING A TERRIBLE FOOTBALL TEAM. yes, terrible.

    The fact he started is yet another symptom of trickett's terrible recruiting, that's all it shows.

    If he plays well in Gainesville then I will agree we have found, our what, 3rd diamond (out of about a dozen) in the rough. If he doesn't, then the future will tell if he is really any good. a bad performance in Gainesville may just mean he wasn't ready to face a real defense.

    Do you wake up angry? I mean I get on here a lot and do not remember seeing anything remotely positive come from you. The kid played great in his first start as a true fresh. Congratulate him and move on. Yes, it is not ideal to start a true fresh, but it happened and that is where we are at the moment.

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  • TNOLE27 said... (original post)

    we really have no idea how good Barron is going to be (or if he is going to be good at all) he looked good for a true Freshman PLAYING A TERRIBLE FOOTBALL TEAM. yes, terrible.

    The fact he started is yet another symptom of trickett's terrible recruiting, that's all it shows.

    If he plays well in Gainesville then I will agree we have found, our what, 3rd diamond (out of about a dozen) in the rough. If he doesn't, then the future will tell if he is really any good. a bad performance in Gainesville may just mean he wasn't ready to face a real defense.

    Just so we can all agree on a good ol peformance in gainesville-going north of 180 on the ground.

    It is clear that you want everyone else to bow before the Trickett alter, but the results on the field for 5 years don't warrant the adulation.

    actually, given how very, very far the ol is behind the rest of the team after trickett's five years and how much the ol is holding this team back (alex, I'll take Clemson for 29 yds please, no, how about ou for 46 yds), he should be on the clock that is rapidly ticking down.

    I suspect he is not so let us hope our future ol classes look at least as good as last year.l

    I suspect if another coach (Odell comes to mind) had a position group performing this badly most of these same posters would be calling for his head.

    If people pointed out the lack of talent on the dl it would be [correctly] stated that getting the Jimmies and the Joes to FSU is part of the job.

    Let's go through your comments one by one because there are several large holes in your arugment.

    Barron only started due to injuries to several players that should of been in front of him over the last 14 months. How many teams can lose five OL and not have to turn to Freshmen.

    UF has a great DTs (Both Guys will play in the League and Easley could be a 1st rd pick) when healthy so if he holds own, he should have been a five star player. To set the bar at domination is just silly. True freshmen OL don't dominate guys on their way to the league. Hudson, probably the best interior linemen in FSU history didn't dominate guys until his sophomore year.

    The sentence about bowing doesn't make sense to me, I'm just talking about a kid playing well as a freshmen. I think you are the one with an agenda.

    The line had it's best year in 2009 and had a good year last year with several missing pieces so I'm not sure about your argument. Look all those yards rushing by backs that won't have more then cup of coffee in the league and tell me that last year's line was below average. Under that argument the line peaked too early.

    You mean a line that made average backs look like all-americans and had guys win the Jacobs' award. Plus had guys that will start at LT in the league.

    Except there can't be a lack of talent when most of the linemen are prospected to end up in the league.

  • PVB, I'm with you on Barron, but you are waay off on our backs. You don't have to be an NFL back to be a stud in college. Our Dynasty era backs didn't exactly blow up in the league, yet were very effective college backs.

    JT is a very good college running back. He wouldn't have been heavily recruited by Jimbo and LSU if he weren't. CT is also a stud. Remember that Miami game last year? Sure the line blocked well and got him some holes, but he also ran his ass off and turned short gains into 10-15 yarders. CT was recruited by Florida, Clemson, Miami and several other elite programs. Those two are so good that Jimbo moved Lonnie Pryor to fullback. The same Lonnie Pryor who had offers from Florida, Georgia, Auburn, USC (west), Clemson, LSU, and just about every major program in the country to play running back.

    To keep implying that our past rushing success is solely due to the OL is just revisionist history.

  • JeffSpicNolie said... (original post)

    PVB, I'm with you on Barron, but you are waay off on our backs. You don't have to be an NFL back to be a stud in college. Our Dynasty era backs didn't exactly blow up in the league, yet were very effective college backs.

    JT is a very good college running back. He wouldn't have been heavily recruited by Jimbo and LSU if he weren't. CT is also a stud. Remember that Miami game last year? Sure the line blocked well and got him some holes, but he also ran his ass off and turned short gains into 10-15 yarders. CT was recruited by Florida, Clemson, Miami and several other elite programs. Those two are so good that Jimbo moved Lonnie Pryor to fullback. The same Lonnie Pryor who had offers from Florida, Georgia, Auburn, USC (west), Clemson, LSU, and just about every major program in the country to play running back.

    To keep implying that our past rushing success is solely due to the OL is just revisionist history.

    1) I'm pretty sure Barron banged TNOLE's girlfriend. As a true freshman, he held his own on the road, on a Thursday night, national TV game against BCS team...

    In Sept we watched our top JuCo OL recruit play matador at C against ULM.& Charleston So...Barron was fine.

    2) Agree w/ 50% of the above post. Sean Jackson, Tiger McMillon, Rock.Preston, Amp Lee were very good college backs, but made no noise in the NFL, and even Sammie Smith was lacklustser in tbe league IMO.

    Jermaine Thomas is NOT a "very good back". FSU was taking anyone that didn't require too much work the year he signed. IIRC Thomas' other offers outside of LSU were unimpressive.

    Chris Thompson.& Devonte Freeman have both clearly outperformed Thomas, deslite being younger. I guess if JT is "very good"", than Thompson and freshman Devonta Freeman are elite? Why else would they get so many carries

    Oh, and very good RB's dont run 3 yards backwards into their own GD endzone for a safety.

    Fisher needs a Jacob Hester to really make his offense click...Lonnie to FB had NOTHING to do with Thomas ability and everything to fo with lack of personnel and LP's football IQ & willingness to help.

    Jermaine Thomas is very average.

    If he is"very good", then why does he rarely touch the ball, eh?

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  • JeffSpicNolie said... (original post)

    Agreed, but our staff as a whole may very well have put an increased emphasis on OL recruiting last year, relative to other positions.

    Been casually watching some of the game on DVR and like you guys am impressed with Barron. Definitely a nice find by Trickett and the staff. This staff definitely has an eye for talent. Freeman, Erving, Brooks, McCloud, Rhodes, Barron and Werner have all far exceeded their status as recruits when the staff offered them.

    Imagine that Stork will be out next week too, I wonder if Barron will hold it down the rest of the year.

    He'll probably hold it down until he has a concussion.

    Just kidding.

    I mean, I wish I was just kidding.

  • We've scored 30 points or more in our last 6 games, and in all but one of our games this year. But lets not let that get in the way of us crushing our staff.

  • JeffSpicNolie said... (original post)

    PVB, I'm with you on Barron, but you are waay off on our backs. You don't have to be an NFL back to be a stud in college. Our Dynasty era backs didn't exactly blow up in the league, yet were very effective college backs.

    JT is a very good college running back. He wouldn't have been heavily recruited by Jimbo and LSU if he weren't. CT is also a stud. Remember that Miami game last year? Sure the line blocked well and got him some holes, but he also ran his ass off and turned short gains into 10-15 yarders. CT was recruited by Florida, Clemson, Miami and several other elite programs. Those two are so good that Jimbo moved Lonnie Pryor to fullback. The same Lonnie Pryor who had offers from Florida, Georgia, Auburn, USC (west), Clemson, LSU, and just about every major program in the country to play running back.

    To keep implying that our past rushing success is solely due to the OL is just revisionist history.

    Yet all the posters here keep saying we're not LSU or Alabama, as if that's the measuring stick.

    Well. if that's the measuring stick, NONE of those teams have backs that won't turn short gains into 15 yarders.

    Running the ball successfully takes and OL and a good RB, and on any given play one or the other may carry the bulk of the load.

  • WillyDees said... (original post)

    1) I'm pretty sure Barron banged TNOLE's girlfriend. As a true freshman, he held his own on the road, on a Thursday night, national TV game against BCS team...

    In Sept we watched our top JuCo OL recruit play matador at C against ULM.& Charleston So...Barron was fine.

    2) Agree w/ 50% of the above post. Sean Jackson, Tiger McMillon, Rock.Preston, Amp Lee were very good college backs, but made no noise in the NFL, and even Sammie Smith was lacklustser in tbe league IMO.

    Jermaine Thomas is NOT a "very good back". FSU was taking anyone that didn't require too much work the year he signed. IIRC Thomas' other offers outside of LSU were unimpressive.

    Chris Thompson.& Devonte Freeman have both clearly outperformed Thomas, deslite being younger. I guess if JT is "very good"", than Thompson and freshman Devonta Freeman are elite? Why else would they get so many carries

    Oh, and very good RB's dont run 3 yards backwards into their own GD endzone for a safety.

    Fisher needs a Jacob Hester to really make his offense click...Lonnie to FB had NOTHING to do with Thomas ability and everything to fo with lack of personnel and LP's football IQ & willingness to help.

    Jermaine Thomas is very average.

    If he is"very good", then why does he rarely touch the ball, eh?

    I am glad to see my Gator downvoting groupie showed up.

    I stated i was enocouraged by what I saw from Barron. guess they don't teach reading in hogtown. Are you all discouraged? if not, then what is the problem? Point is, our ol is far from fixed. Another point is the fact we need to resort to Barron as a true Freshman is a big problem in and of itself.

    Bc has been badly beaten by bad teams, its dl really sucks-so we can't read very much into last night. we beat a bad team badly

    Barren looked good against a bad dl- however, we realy won't know if that means anything until we see him do the same thing against a good dl.

    some of you are desperate to look for things regaridng the ol that may not be there. Does anyone think that pushing around bc means anything when we play a real dl? no, well then we should temper our reaction.

    two last things: I don't think Golden cares about barron b/c um's ol is a lot better than our ol. we would be unbeaten if we had their ol.

    Oh, and Brantley still sucks-go ahead and downvote me because I took a shot at your idol.

    This post was edited by TNOLE27 3 years ago

  • atgreek said... (original post)

    Yet all the posters here keep saying we're not LSU or Alabama, as if that's the measuring stick.

    Well. if that's the measuring stick, NONE of those teams have backs that won't turn short gains into 15 yarders.

    Running the ball successfully takes and OL and a good RB, and on any given play one or the other may carry the bulk of the load.

    Greek,

    Right or wrong, in this part of the world they are the current measuring sticks. I personally think we have greatly closed the talent gap as to those teams everywhere but the ol.

    The gap between our ol and those ol's is huge.

    2 more classes on the ol with equal or better talent as compared to last year then that gap largely closes by 2014.

  • TNOLE27 said... (original post)

    Greek,

    Right or wrong, in this part of the world they are the current measuring sticks. I personally think we have greatly closed the talent gap as to those teams everywhere but the ol.

    The gap between our ol and those ol's is huge.

    2 more classes on the ol with equal or better talent as compared to last year then that gap largely closes by 2014.

    They also have senior dominated teams.
    What many on here think is that the talent is in place, but injuries has played havoc with the line forcing us to play kids before they should.
    Finally, I think you can't judge a team by picking out individual units. We continue to score points which is the point, right? Everything should be in context for the personnel we have. What if we never become an Alabama in terms of a dominating running game? Does that mean we suck?
    We are currently 25th in scoring offense. Not bad.....needs to get a little better......but you sure can't tell it by your posts.

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  • soemtimes players ratings are hurt with other studs on their teams and coming from small schools one could easily be looked over-- I hope he is a diamond in the rough with many more to be discovered for FSU

  • fsufool said... (original post)

    They also have senior dominated teams. What many on here think is that the talent is in place, but injuries has played havoc with the line forcing us to play kids before they should. Finally, I think you can't judge a team by picking out individual units. We continue to score points which is the point, right? Everything should be in context for the personnel we have. What if we never become an Alabama in terms of a dominating running game? Does that mean we suck? We are currently 25th in scoring offense. Not bad.....needs to get a little better......but you sure can't tell it by your posts.

    we are 85th in rush offense.

    Hypothetically, If that number stayed constant we will never be an elite team. for example, you have to be able to consistently get 3rd or 4th and 1 on the ground-we consistently fail to get the yard.

    I guess the issue between many board members is whether there was ever (injuries or not) much non freshmen talent on the ol. The issue not in dispute is the complete lack of quality non-freshmen depth.

    The issue has every bit as much due to transfers and poor recruiting as injuries. a lot of medical dq's (snider, sanderson come to mind) were never any good to start with-injuries or not.

    The freshman have and will continue to beat older players because as a group they have a lot more talent than the prior classes.

  • Center is not a "sexy" position in the recruiting world. When is the last time you seen a highly recruited center? Most teams make a center,as in shifting lineman around. Like we did with Krug

  • TNOLE27 said... (original post)

    Ucf pushed bc around. Let's see what Barron does in hogtown (playing against a young dl)before we declare him a missed prospect.

    However, I am encouraged by what I saw last night from him.

    Yea, he's only a true freshman playing center at a major program over several upperclassmen. He's not a "missed prospect"...

  • I am not worried about the future of FSU's Oline for some time. This experience the young guys are getting is going to pay off in the future! Like for a NC run in 2012 for example twocents

    GO NOLES! / SCALP EM!

  • our ol situaiton made his start necessary.

    that doesn't make him a hit-that makes our ol situation bad.

    he may be a hit. then again, he may not.

    It is too early to tell.

    Do you think other teams are going to look at film and think, gee how did we miss him? No, not from one game.

    they may in a year or two but not now.

    however, what they will think from watching ol film is that the fsu ol group gives us a chance to beat fsu.

  • I have met Austin. He is a very solid built guy, one of those guys that you can tell is very strong and athletic. Typical of guys that are overlooked, he did not go to camps and get discovered. He was playing baseball during the summer. He came in wanting to prove he belonged, great attitude, smart guy from a great family.

  • Some of you guys have been around long enough to know how recruiting works. All these recruiting analysts on major networks don't know their head from their ass. They rank kids on offers and that is another whole different story. Barron was committed to FSU before his senior year even started. If ANYONE found that out...then he would have instantly had a BUNCH of other offers. Thats how it works. Then he would have been rated much more highly. Or he could have been like other recruits who like to get recognition and do a bunch of interviews with these website and told them he had offers from all these schools and he would have been rated highly. Barron is going to be our starting center for the next three years without a doubt. He is a good one.

  • Barron did great. Surprisingly well, but 27 does have a point. I saw Easley absolutely abuse the Vandy center today. Pretty sure Barron will have his hands full against Easley if he start Vs UF. Lonnie is going to have to help out a lot in that game. As average as UF is, their starting DL is very, very good.

  • He was ranked low because he plays in the hardest position group to rank. When it comes to OL you need to drop your expectated star rank by a full star. Most of them won't have highlight reels that wow people, they don't have stats to build up and the vast majority of them aren't athletic freaks or else they would be on the DL in high school.

    If he is a diamond in the rough or not is something for time to tell, but OL, K and P are positions you should never really star gaze over.