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A little reading between the lines suggests that it's not an unreasonable theory to hold that Coley is the staff's top offensive mind and Eliot is the top defensive mind.
However "young" or "inexperienced" they are.
The idea that we are losing both to friggin' Kensucky is pretty dispiriting.
I want to see bright minds retained and promoted. If you have greatness on your staff, don't make them get experience elsewhere. Keep them.
I realize these aren't done deals, but there's thick black smoke.
Change is good, but not when you're letting go of coaches who have greatness written all over them in exchange for what's behind door #2.
I'd like to see great effort expended to keep these two.
What's the point of this? We are losing good coaches; see who comes in. You know Jimbo hired those guys. If you are just wanting to vent or maybe just get Napolean closer to the edge then I can leave you to it.
I agree 100%, but I don't think it will happen.
That's just my opinion.
It happens. If they were lateral moves, I would be upset. We can find bright minded and experienced coordinators and we should.
They really have no place for promotion within the current structure of the FSU coaching staff.
Even if Coley were allowed to call plays, game plan, do everything without Jimbo being hands on - people would say "it's Jimbo's offense". Even if the actual workings change, perception doesn't.
Coley would get pigeonholed even if Jimbo were hands off. Realistically, sets back Coley's career, regardless of the actual goings on.
I'd be behind Eliot to DC if Jimbo were a defensive minded head coach, or if he wasn't involved heavily in the offense. But a first time DC with a hands-on offensive head coach? Lot of risk for a big time program.
Even if we never see Eliot on campus again, appreciate how well he's done here, and hopefully down the road he can come back as a DC.
It would also hurt Eliot's career to stay even if he got a pay bump and an assistant head coach type of title. Needs to progress in his career. No one will hire him directly as a DC. If he can be DC for Stoops, then he can probably land himself a larger job later on.
Call me crazy, but I believe Jimbo is the best football mind on the staff, and as long as he is running the ship we will be fine. He hired each of these guys, I trust him to fill those sports.
Burley Nole 4 Life!
Agree 100%. Jimbo is an excellent evaluator of coaches as well. Keep in mind the only coaches he didn't personally hire is trickett and odell (coley too maybe?) We are in good hands.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by JayFields 20 months ago
Thanks for your concern, fsu, but I'm hanging in there. Barely. I'm on a ventilator, but it's all good. Gasp . . . let's promote Eliot. . . gasp . . . DC . . . inexperienced, but brilliant young mind . . . gasp . . . let's allow Coley to . . . gasp . . . call the plays . . . tell Jimbo to mind his own business . . . gasp . . . my last dying wish . . . gasp . . .
The Future is Now.
To the promotion-versus-lateral-move folks, I would submit again that this is Kensucky.
If you're a coach of any kind on FSU's staff, the only move to Kensucky that's not a demotion is to be named head coach. Anything else is at VERY BEST a lateral move, and I'd argue that even a promotion in title is still a move backwards on the career track in hopes of finding a clearer passing lane. This is one of the worst football schools in NCAA history. It's FAR worse than Duke, because even at Duke it's been shown that a coach can make some noise.
Kensucky is truly a college football toilet.
Even Stoops is taking a gigantic risk having this be his first head coaching gig. It could destroy his head coaching career if he doesn't get the support he'll need.
Really, I'd rather be lowly WR coach at FSU than be the OC/AHC at Kensucky.
This guy knows what he's talking about. He said Kensucky.
Maybe I'm overdoing that a bit? I am trying to think of other ways to indicate how bad they truly suck.
I agree 100%. I don't see HOW Stoops can succeed at UK. If you're going to pick a program upon which to launch your HC career please be smart and choose another conference.
"I never knew I had a foot until I noticed it was on your neck"
Very few coaches go from a Coordinator spot at a major school to a HC at a major school. Major schools, such as FSU don't typically hire guys who haven't proved their worth at smaller schools or even BCS schools on a lower talent level. (I know we did for JF & FU hired Muschamp, but both were in line to be HC's for several years).
If we are not wiling to promote Eliot to DC & he can be a DC at any other FBS school, then its a promotion. If we are not willing to let Coley call plays & he can call plays at any other FBS school, then its a promotion.
Its not all about money, sure. But it IS about advancing. If Stoops, Eliot & Coley get UK to be a yearly bowl team, then they advance to a "higher level" BCS school.
That being said, I wouldn't be too eagar to jump to UK simply because they compete in the SEC and it will be extremely difficult to turn the program around.
Not saying stoops had to go to a powerhouse program. Taking over a GT or an NCState or even an Ole Miss would suffice. Kentucky is something else altogether. It's as bad as it gets
Kentucky staff will be unemployed within 3 years....Fisher and remaining staff will be at FSU longterm.......promotion or not, job security not so good at Kentucky
Then you aren't paying attention. "Success" at UK is a loose definition.
1) Rich Brooks took UK to bowl games. Do you remember who they beat?
2) Stoops is hella popular in Ohio. Guess what state borders Ohio
3) He will get a TON of exposure in the SEC. If he breathes life into a program that is pathetic, he will be noticed by SEC ADs.
4) IF you need more proof, look at James Franklin. It's just as hard to win at Vandy than UK. Franklin is turning down jobs left and right.
Kentucky is no worse than Vandy, and doesn't have the academic restrictions.
A good coach can be "successful" anywhere.
I swear its like people don't think before they post. See my above post.
I have heard Eliot is a player favorite and I know Coley is. I hope they don't leave.
In answer to the silly put-down at the end of this post, I most certainly considered Vanderbilt. I consider Vanderbilt a better coaching opportunity than Kentucky. Didn't do data analysis but went on my impression. I indeed asked myself, "what programs are more of a CFB toilet than Kentucky?"
I couldn't think of any that I, myself, view with more disdain. Yes, they beat FSU in a bowl yada yada yada. We all know the story there.
If I were a coach, I'd rather coach at Duke.
Now I could turn put to be wrong, and Stoops could prove me wrong. This is just a message board and it's ok to be wrong, and I won't be embarrassed if stoops wins at UK.
But the comment implies that my post was obviously a stupid one. On re-thinking, though, I stand by it. UK is as bad a football institution as there is.
This post was edited by googolplex 20 months ago
While I understand how bad UK is, one thing I feel that is being overlooked is that they are that bad.
What I mean is this; he gets hired and gets no support. Which in turn he fails. He can say hey I was at Kentucky. I feel no matter if be fails or not he has already locked in a second head coaching job because of his last name and the expectations surrounding UK.
No. Fisher is a GREAT football mind. If had been around him while he discussed football I doubt you would have made this post.
Stoops and Coley are fine football minds but not like Fisher. Jimbo is on Spurrier's level as to being a football mind.
That said, Jombo's results of hc have not matched his football intellect.
Interesting take. Would like it to be true.
I don't have any reason to doubt it. I wonder what experience helped you draw this conclusion?
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