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This thread is about 2 teams that actually matter: UF and Clemson. How do they look next year? UF lost a ton to the draft, that have Driskell returning (will he be improved?), and just brought in a killer class. What about Clemson? Lost Ellington and Hopkins. Boyd's returning. Probably the ACC player of the year next year. They seem to have filled some needs on D.
Are UF and Clemson trending up or down?
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I don't think UF can achieve as much next year as they did last year. They had a great season, and lost a lot of talent. They did pick up the #2 or #3 recruiting class though. Overall, I'd give them a slight trending-up rating.
Clemson lost their TE also, IIRC. Before Hopkins left I had them penciled in for winning the ACC. They had a pretty good season last year, and I don't see them losing less than 2 this year. I'd put them as unchanged - trending neither up or down.
You answered your question in your thread. Both brought the most important position back and brought in good classes. Why would they be trending down? At the very least they would be even.
Talks about how our two main rivals will be next year and no mention of OL or DL?
That's why I opened this up to conversation. What about OL and DL? Are you talking about ours or theirs?
UF is trending up but I don't think they have as good of a season. UF was a very lucky team last year. It seemed like things bounced their way far more often than not. That's not a knock on UF either. The defense probably won't be as good as last year but they'll still be a ferocious group. Their offense should be a concern though. I haven't seen a good UF offense since 2008.
I don't know how good Clemson will be though. Tajh had three elite skill players, schemed around our greatest strength (pass rush with front 4), and threw their entire playbook at us and we still ran away with the W. I wouldn't be surprised to see us spank Clemson next year.
I think they're REALLY going to miss Ellington and Nuk.
Clemson's D is their weakness and their Offense is weaker, so i say they are trending down. UF is trending down also with the losses they had to the draft, you can't ignore they they 2 AA capable players on offense, their best offensive weapon who all made major contributions, UF does return a good running game which will help but they may not see the same type of "luck" they had this past season.
Clemson's offense without Nuk and Ellington doesn't scare me at all. They still have some skill, size and speed but our secondary will be outstanding. That game will be a big mental game between Morris and Pruitt as Pruitt wants to get very aggressive while Morris tries to predict that and hit back with screens.
We need to not bring the house and them drop it off.
UF's program overall is probably on the rise, but as far next season in comparison to last season, they will take a step back. Their defense won them games last season. Their offense was atrocious and the defense may have been the best in the country. Going into the 2013 season, they lose Floyd, Jenkins, and Elam early to the draft, in addition to all of their SR's. They have some young talent on defense for sure, but they don't have anyone to replace Floyd or Elam, especially Elam. D. Jacobs is their best player to replace Floyd. Offensively, they should be improved, but lets face it, there is no way they could get much worse. They return a lot on the OL and their QB. They still lack playmakers at WR. UF also pulled a lot of games out of their ass last season. Overall I project them to lose 1 or 2 games more than they did last year.
Clemson returns Boyd and Watkins. Their defense returns a decent amount and it is year 2 under Venables. Morris is also the best OC in CFB. If Morris leaves after 2013, Clemson takes a step back. As long as Morris is still there, Clemson will be potent on Offense.
The UF game will be more of a dog fight, where as Clemson will be more of a track meet, because Morris will spread everything out and speed up the tempo. UF will play our style and it is just going to be a matter of who executes in the game. Clemson will be more forgiving, because we should be able to score on them.
We have the talent to beat either team, both games are road games. Neither result would shock me in either of the two games.
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I would love for us to build up our usage of the 3-4 until Clemson and then use it a lot that game. With the speed we could put on the field at LB it would be amazing to watch our guys flow to the ball.
100% agree UF will not be as good next year the ball just bounced Thier way tooooooo many times this year.
Clemson will be a tough game but we can still win with out a doubt
If Driskell goes down UF will be in a major bind as they have no one behind him. I fail to see how our QB play could be any worse against them next year either.
Gator fans are annoying as hell look at their comments on highlights of Jameis
I agree that I want to see what our LBs can do but I can't imagine running a 3-4 with the talent we have at DT.
Football is funny in the sense that some seasons a team has the O to win it but not the D, and vice versa in other years. Clemson probably won't have the O and the D this year to be the best team in the nation, but they are always going to relay more on their O than their D. However, offenses are have a greater tendency to be off and lose productivity from week to week than defenses. I learned during Ponder's jr year. Offense was off the charts, D couldn't stop a nose bleed, turnover or 2, special teams play, etc, and we lost the game...see GT. Clemson's offense on paper doesn't look as good this year but since when has that kind of offense needed 5 star WRs and 2 stud RBs to be effective? It needs the QB and that's kinda it. Definitely paramount to any other position in that offense. Guess what, their QB is returning and the best athlete in the ACC. They should be fine and somebody always steps up. Their D will be better and at home. We don't know what we even have on offense yet because we don't know who our staring QB will be or how effective he will be, much less on the road in a hostile environment. Right now I think the game at Clemson is a toss up until we know what we have at QB. Honestly, after the end of EJs career and last few games at FSU, I'm not sure if a significant step back will be taken.
I'm not going to dog Driskell the way most people do. I think he did what he was suppose to do in that offense, and did it well. We can poke fun of his throwing ability all we want, but he had NOBODY to throw to vs loaded SEC defenses. Not that he's Elway, but I don't think he's the goat we want him to be nor lacks the desire to excel needed to improve. There is something in the mindset of a hard nosed running QB that "to me" says they are extremely determined. I think they will be fine on offense, but not elite. On D, guys, really, do you not expect guys to step up? I'm not saying the combined production and effectiveness of the new starters is going to exceed the players moving on, but you don't need the best defense in the country to be the best team in the country. They will probably have a top 20 defense and with an improved offense I think they will still be a good team and the favorite come the game at the end of November.
On the contrary, I didn't come close to answering my question. Both teams lost very important players to the draft. Clemson addressed SOME needs on defense but not nearly enough IMO. Who takes the place of Nuk and Ellington? Boyd and Watkins are terrific, but I think Clemson's trending down. UF had a killer class, but are there any freshman who can fill the shoes of Elam, Floyd, Jenkins, etc.? Hargreaves will start and make a Darby-like impact, but will it be enough. Most importantly for UF, how improved will th e QB play be? Also, will they get the lucky bounces. I think it's impossible to say. It ALL depends on Driskel.
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