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Chadd Scott weighs in on FSU's move to the Big 12...

  • I have to admit, it makes a lot of sense why it won't happen. I love how he calls out Swofford and the ACC refs.

    If we leave, it would be for the SEC. I think he is wrong in regard to an offer never happening.

    This post has been edited 5 times, most recently by PanicFSU on 5/7/2012 at 8:23 AM

    Forget Rumors – Reasons Why FSU Would Never Join the Big 12 | College Football News, Opinion and Analysis | Chuck Oliver.Net

    Conference expansion involves multiple factors. Academics plays a larger role than fans recognize. This is the number-one reason FSU will never join the Big 12 and it’s such a strong reason none others are needed.

    dev.chuckoliver.net

    "Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers

    PanicFSU

  • He makes some valid points. IMO it looks like FSU's best bet is to persuade ND to jine up and bring along maybe a Penn State, then bust the ACC into a North/South dealio. One point he did bring up that should definitely be addressed is the horrific officiating. The ACC needs a complete makeover in that department b/c in the long run it is only screwing itself by having incompetent officials roo-rooing their best programs which in turn costs the ACC revenue in the long run.

    levynole ●

  • Here is where he's wrong...the rest of the ACC and FSU aren't like minded.

    This post was edited by fsukum on 5/7/2012 at 8:57 AM

    fsukum

  • He's got a few excellent points in there. However, he left out the biggest reason of all that we'd move: $$$$$$$$$

    Money talks, fellas.

    I thought it was interesting that he brought up the distance of our nearest conference opponent (West Virginia) and the fact that we'd end our rivalry with either Miami or Florida by moving. If any of the info that Bushido relayed last night is correct, in that FSU wants to bring Miami and GT along to the Big 12, then those problems are, by and large, solved. GT would be our closest opponent, and Miami would remain a conference game, leaving us free to play Florida at the end of the year. Now, does the Big 12 want to take Miami (and hell, would Miami would ditch the ACC)? That's another story.

    EnterTheOcho

  • I don't really like the ACC at the present time, but just can't see the Big 12 as a viable option unless the money overwhelms us. I know the Kansas schools and Texas Tech are not light years away from Boston and Syracuse, we just don't seem to have as much in common with them. There has to be a reason the four schools left the Big 12.If Nebraska and Texas A & M were still there it would make a more compelling arguement to move.

    styancey

  • Tough to read and respect that guy. He obviously makes some good points, the best of which IYAM is that we're a southern University. However between his palpable self obsession and the fact he didn't discuss that money rules all now and even more so going forward and this move would double our money from tv and also sell more season tickets he loses credibility.

    After we sell our tier 3 tv rights we'd probably be getting about 32 million a year from tv. Ticket sales would improve due to new matchups and better matchups. Sports represent the UNiversity less and less by the year. Wouldn't be surprised if major CFB was privatized and basically professional in ten years. I say that to debunk his academics comment. Best way to preserve FSU's academic standing is to make money on football instead of losing it.

    fsufsu ●

  • I'm confused by that article. He seems to contradict himself.

    We wouldn't leave the ACC and the main reason is because of the ACCs academics. The B12 pales in comparison.

    Doesn't the SEC have worse academics than the ACC also? If that's the main reason then why does he think we'd leave for the SEC?

    TNoles813

  • Dont question him, didn't you read the first paragraph? He's the inerrant voice on expansion and realignment.

    fsufsu ●

  • fsufsu said...

    Dont question him, didn't you read the first paragraph? He's the inerrant voice on expansion and realignment.

    Of course, that's why he makes the BIG bucks...err...wait...

    TNoles813

  • The article also states that FSU does not fit with Big 12 schools, do we fit with likes of BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, duke, unc? If we leave we are not going by our selfs we are going to take Clemson and possibly Miami and Georgia Tech with us.

    gobucs84 ●

  • gobucs84 said...

    The article also states that FSU does not fit with Big 12 schools, do we fit with likes of BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, duke, unc? If we leave we are not going by our selfs we are going to take Clemson and possibly Miami and Georgia Tech with us.

    Exactly. FSU, Clemson, GT, and Louisville are commonly heard options. If that that's the case you could have a Big14 South Conference with TCU, Baylor, Texas, GT, FSU, Clemson and TTU. Furthest we'd travel is to Lubbock which is almost exactly the same distance as Syracuse would be.

    fsufsu ●

  • fsufsu said...

    Exactly. FSU, Clemson, GT, and Louisville are commonly heard options. If that that's the case you could have a Big14 South Conference with TCU, Baylor, Texas, GT, FSU, Clemson and TTU. Furthest we'd travel is to Lubbock which is almost exactly the same distance as Syracuse would be.

    The Big 12 is going to expand it is just a matter of time FSU and Notre Dame are the biggest schools left that make a major change. We have to leave the acc or if we stay in the acc we starting listing demands. 1. Need a new commish 2. Schedule 3. Better Refs 4. Put us in the same division with GT. 5. More $ in a new TV deal. 5. Go after louisville and ND for expansion.

    If those demands are not met we go to Big 12. We are in position of power lets start using it.

    gobucs84 ●

  • Chadd Scott makes deep points about academics but he's wrong today. The climate has changed.

    Those that read NoleDigest last year, and the year before know that I had really, really deep info, and (for the first time in my life hahah) nailed absolutely everything I ever said, and called each and every move days, weeks and even months ahead of time. I nailed stuff on the message board days and weeks before it broke as major news. I say this not in ego, but to remind you - I know the TAMU to SEC situation "really, really well".

    So with that being said - Chadd, you're wrong...by basically overstating viewpoints -

    "Why were Texas A&M and Missouri invited to join the SEC? There were many reasons and one of the biggest was the membership of those two schools in the prestigious Association of American Universities"

    That's incorrect. The SEC has wanted Texas & Texas A&M for a number of years, so they could penetrate the "closed" Texas market.. being that all the Texas teams have been locked down in the same conference for the last 100+ years. Grabbing Texas A&M was about market share and a huge alumni base. You're grabbing one of the top 2 schools in the state and the markets of Houston and Dallas which Texas A&M is *very* strong it. That's what it was about. Yes, it's true that Texas A&M is a fine academic school and an AAU instituion.. and that helped making them a great pull, but it wasn't "about that". Texas A&M figured out real fast that the $20 mllion they were guaranteed in the Big12 wasn't coming, and it's true - it didn't. Texas A&M also figured out that they could leave the Big12 for the SEC, pay the exit fee and STILL end up more profitable out of the situation within 3 years. THREE YEARS.

    Vanderbilt always voted against adding Texas A&M from day one. They voted against adding Missouri too. Sure, the public "final vote" given to the presses was "Unanimous"... because no chance the SEC was going to announce "By a vote of 11-1"......so in the end when Vandy knew it was fruitless, they blessed it for the final tally.. but know this, Vandy dissented. Why? Vandy's the SEC's flagship academic institution by a mile... if the SEC was about academics, wouldn't Vandy have been THRILLED with Texas A&M? Think about that.

    Let's get real - the climate has changed in College Football, and the economy has sped that along. I'm referring to how money and media contracts are now ruling the day. With the SEC then PAC and Big10 landing their big contracts years back, started that ball rolling. Why do you think the playoff's are now coming? That used to be an academic resistance, but no more. Now, it's about money. So Chadd Scott can crow all he wants about academics, but that's not it. It's about money.

    satexas

  • We're a southern school, but aren't the majority of our boosters and current students from central and south Florida? Those areas are not "southern".

    Our common interest with the Big 12....our desire to make money.

    This post was edited by fsukum on 5/7/2012 at 11:14 AM

    fsukum

  • Great post Satexas. I agree. What CFB is careening towards is privatization and semi-pro status. If we don't get in with the Big 12 or SEC we will be irrelevant in 7 years. I really believe that.

    fsufsu ●

  • Edit - sorry wrong thread

    This post was edited by NOLES_WIN on 5/7/2012 at 12:13 PM

    NOLES_WIN

  • Any one notice not one person at FSU has denied these rumors false?

    gobucs84 ●

  • gobucs84 said...

    Any one notice not one person at FSU has denied these rumors false?

    Why should they?

    "Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers

    PanicFSU

  • Reading through the tea leaves of this discussion, Spetman's recent budget press release is more interesting. Referencing the main points he made re: the budget insight, "we are at a budget shortfall" and "without increase in budget, our coaches are at risk". It sounds like FSU is setting the table for this discussion if it gets to point of moving on it.

    PTCnole

  • Money talks and if FSU and Clemson are added this contract increases.

    Big 12 verbally agrees to new ESPN/Fox deal - CBSSports

    ESPN extension would with Fox deal agreed to in 2011

    www.cbssports.com

    @TruthOrBear247

    Brian Ethridge

  • PTCnole said...

    Reading through the tea leaves of this discussion, Spetman's recent budget press release is more interesting. Referencing the main points he made re: the budget insight, "we are at a budget shortfall" and "without increase in budget, our coaches are at risk". It sounds like FSU is setting the table for this discussion if it gets to point of moving on it.

    So a move to the Big 12 could provide that increase in budget?

    EnterTheOcho

  • Let's be clear about some facts -

    SEC teams get about $17-mil per year, and that's about to go up. UF gets $17 mill for SEC plus $10 mil for 3rd tier rights. Total: $27mil.

    Big12 just signed for $20-mil a year, and Texas get's double that in $20 mil for Big12 plus $20 mil for espn longhorn network 3rd tier. Total: $40mil

    What's FSU getting?

    $12.7 million and HOPES that the new contract, commited LONNNNNNNNNG term, will at a whopping 1.5 million for each time, a ceiling of $15 million on the upside.

    Total? $12.7 mil and maybe $15mil

    This post was edited by satexas on 5/7/2012 at 4:39 PM

    satexas

  • I want FSU in the SEC but if that is never going to happen I just want them out of ACC.

    tmsmith2

  • satexas said...

    Let's be clear about some facts -

    SEC teams get about $17-mil per year, and that's about to go up. UF gets $17 mill for SEC plus $10 mil for 3rd tier rights. Total: $27mil.

    Big12 just signed for $20-mil a year, and Texas get's double that in $20 mil for Big12 plus $20 mil for espn longhorn network 3rd tier. Total: $40mil

    What's FSU getting?

    $12.7 million and HOPES that the new contract, commited LONNNNNNNNNG term, will at a whopping 1.5 million for each time, a ceiling of $15 million on the upside.

    Total? $12.7 mil and maybe $15mil

    We could close that gap considerably by joining the Big 12 and securing a 3rd tier; maybe even equal it.

    fsukum

  • satexas said...

    Let's be clear about some facts -

    SEC teams get about $17-mil per year, and that's about to go up. UF gets $17 mill for SEC plus $10 mil for 3rd tier rights. Total: $27mil.

    Big12 just signed for $20-mil a year, and Texas get's double that in $20 mil for Big12 plus $20 mil for espn longhorn network 3rd tier. Total: $40mil

    What's FSU getting?

    $12.7 million and HOPES that the new contract, commited LONNNNNNNNNG term, will at a whopping 1.5 million for each time, a ceiling of $15 million on the upside.

    Total? $12.7 mil and maybe $15mil

    The LHN pays Texas $15M per year.

    TXA2009

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