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Bracketology

  • I know it doesn't matter, but can someone explain Lunardi's updated bracket?

    His 4 seeds
    Michigan ranked 22/25 rpi 16 sos 12
    Indiana 23/23 rpi 18 sos 37
    Wisconsin 21/22 rpi 30 sos 20
    Marquette 18/19 rpi 12 sos 18

    FSU a 5 seed ranked 15/17 rpi 17 sos 11

    Can someone explain that one to me?

    734Nole

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  • If you take the rankings and figure out seeds (i.e. 1-4 are 1 seeds, 5-8 2 seeds, etc.) MSU should be a 3 seed (Lunardi has them 2), Wisc/Mich/Ind should all be 6 seeds (Lunardi has all as a 4), also has 8 teams from Big Ten in.....major Big Ten bias from Lunardi

    734Nole

  • I think brand names still play a role in Bracketology...Marquette is overrated right now as an example.

    IMO, a 5 seed is a pretty good seeding at this point in the season for FSU.

    PTCnole ●

  • PTCnole said...

    I think brand names still play a role in Bracketology...Marquette is overrated right now as an example.

    IMO, a 5 seed is a pretty good seeding at this point in the season for FSU.

    Im not too mad at being a 5 seed, just dont get the teams he has in front of us

    734Nole

  • The Big Ten is a much stronger conference than the ACC at the top. It is not just about the RPI number, and certainly doesn't take into account rankings. It is about the whole resume. I have not looked at those teams you listed as far as who they beat and lost to, but our losses to Clemson and Princeton are hurting our cause. If we win just the Princeton game, FSU is probably a 3 seed right now.

    Personally, I think our resume warrants a 5 seed at this point. shrug

    Regardless, we have 8 winnable games ahead of us that if we can keep playing well will only continue to move us up the seed lines.

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    illinoles ●

  • I agree. At this point, FSU is likely a No. 5 seed. But there's so much basketball left. Eight games in the regular season?

    And in past years, FSU was on the bubble.

    So it's nice to be having this discussion and not one debating FSU's resume ... or thinking about the NIT.

    Bob Ferrante

  • illinoles said...

    The Big Ten is a much stronger conference than the ACC at the top. It is not just about the RPI number, and certainly doesn't take into account rankings. It is about the whole resume. I have not looked at those teams you listed as far as who they beat and lost to, but our losses to Clemson and Princeton are hurting our cause. If we win just the Princeton game, FSU is probably a 3 seed right now.

    Personally, I think our resume warrants a 5 seed at this point. shrug

    Regardless, we have 8 winnable games ahead of us that if we can keep playing well will only continue to move us up the seed lines.

    What has Michigan done? Only won one game away from (Purdue). They lost to Virginia (who we beat). They also lost to Iowa and Arkansas. Only real good win is Michigan State at home (who lost to both Duke and UNC) and who they also lost to.

    Who has Wisconsin beat? Indiana at home? They also lost to Iowa

    Indiana has some good wins at home, but has lost to Nebraska and Minnesota and no great road wins. They are also only 6-6 in conference play

    734Nole

  • 734Nole said...

    What has Michigan done? Only won one game away from (Purdue). They lost to Virginia (who we beat). They also lost to Iowa and Arkansas. Only real good win is Michigan State at home (who lost to both Duke and UNC) and who they also lost to.

    Who has Wisconsin beat? Indiana at home? They also lost to Iowa

    Indiana has some good wins at home, but has lost to Nebraska and Minnesota and no great road wins. They are also only 6-6 in conference play

    As I said in my last post, I had not looked at any of the teams you mentioned resume.

    I am not trying to defend Lunardi at all, for the most part I think he is an idiot.

    All the numbers I am taking from warrennolan.com

    The Big Ten is currently the #1 rated conference per the RPI. ACC is #6 (behind BE, B12, SEC, MW)

    #15 Michigan is 7-5 against the Top 50. 7 wins against the Top 50 is very impressive. Their only loss outside the Top 100 was to #125 Iowa on the road. They have wins over #6 Michigan St, #18 Indiana, #19 Memphis (in Maui) inside the Top 25. They have a Top 100 road win over Purdue (#63). They have the #12 SOS currently.

    #18 Indiana has 6 Top 100 wins, 3 of them are in the Top 50 (#4 Ohio State, #5 Kentucky, #15 Michigan). That is an impressive group of W's, and yes all at home. They also have 4 road wins 2 of which are in the Top 100 (#162 Evansville, #57 NCSU, #144 Penn St, #63 Purdue). Their only loss outside the Top 50 is @ #109 Nebraska. SOS is #37.

    #30 Wisconsin has 6 Top 100 wins, 5 of which are in the Top 50. Their 2 Top 25 wins are #10 UNLV and #18 Indiana, both at home. They do have 5 road wins, including 3 vs. Top 100, 1 vs #46 Illinois. Their only loss outside the Top 50 was a home loss to #125 Iowa. SOS is #20

    #17 Florida State has 7 top 100 wins, only 3 are within the top 50, vs. #7 UNC, @ #3 Duke, vs. #46 Virginia. FSU has 3 road wins, #3 Duke, #96 VT, #137 Wake Forest. They have 2 losses outside the Top 50: #104 Princeton and @ #164 Clemson. SOS is #11.

    So just looking at only those 4 teams and not taking into account the other handful of teams with similar resumes, I would have Michigan, Indiana, FSU, Wisconsin in that order if I was doing the seeding. JMHO.

    Really when you are comparing such close resumes, you are really splitting hairs about which criteria is more important.

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    illinoles ●

  • If we can finish the season with only 1-2 losses in conference and do good in the conference Tourney we could get a 3 or 4 seed.

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    duvalnole

  • Not defending Joe but remember he does take into account all of the seeding rules when making his projections. The actual selection committee has the flexibility to move seeds around to accommodate the conference seeding rules, BYU not playing on a Fri/Sun, etc. So its possible he could consider us a 4 but had to drop us to a 5 to fit.

    Admittedly, I have not looked at the entire bracket, so I don't know if that's the case. Like Duval said, we take care of business, and our seed can improve. I'm not a fan of the 5 seed based on all the history with the 5/12 upset, so here's to hoping we continue to improve our seeding.

    kodiaknole

  • kodiaknole said...

    Not defending Joe but remember he does take into account all of the seeding rules when making his projections. The actual selection committee has the flexibility to move seeds around to accommodate the conference seeding rules, BYU not playing on a Fri/Sun, etc. So its possible he could consider us a 4 but had to drop us to a 5 to fit.

    This is a very good point.

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    illinoles ●

  • kodiaknole said...

    Not defending Joe but remember he does take into account all of the seeding rules when making his projections. The actual selection committee has the flexibility to move seeds around to accommodate the conference seeding rules, BYU not playing on a Fri/Sun, etc. So its possible he could consider us a 4 but had to drop us to a 5 to fit.

    Admittedly, I have not looked at the entire bracket, so I don't know if that's the case. Like Duval said, we take care of business, and our seed can improve. I'm not a fan of the 5 seed based on all the history with the 5/12 upset, so here's to hoping we continue to improve our seeding.

    I am not a fan of a 5 seed either, because it seems like one of them is upset every year.

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    duvalnole

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