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"Big 12 not interested in expanding at this time.”

  • Grantparkgator said...

    nono

    The SEC has NEVER needed or will ever need FSU to make money or survive. It's funny that you throw ND in there because that will be the only way the BIG 12 may leap the SEC in vaule. Adding FSU and Clemson makes the Big12 as strong as the SEC? lol in what?

    Slive>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ACC+B12 Commish

    Also all the talk about "better" TV deal is pretty pointless because each time one of the Big 4 signs a new deal its going to thrump the others (SEC Network or ND being x-factors).

    you are right. The Sec does not sec FSu money to survive. however, FSu will make any conference much more money than either A&m or MIZZOU. That was my point.

    So you are making less money by having Mizzou or A&m instead of FSU. That is the point. It is penny wise and pound foolish, assuming we would come to the sec. I have my doubts until nd makes a move. We would not move until we are convinced nd is not coming to the ACC.
    Adding pitt and Syracuse was not random. It covers the biggest area of Nd's fan base.

    Whether it convinces nd to come to the Acc is another matter. If we and Clemson leave i doubt it b/c the Acc would not have enough power even with Nd to get a seat a gown ups table. If we stay, long with ND, you now have a 5 conference scenario.

    Its unfortunate most of the sec fans do not understand viewing audiences. Let's see.

    big 12.

    texas-far more of a national audience than ANY team in the sec.

    FSU-draws equal ratings on an equal l level to uf and Bama and ore than any other SEc team.

    OU-draws nationally almost as much as FSU and more than everyone in the SEC except Bama and UF.

    now do you get the point. Wat about ks st you ask. Their ratings, nationally are about like the barners and usc jr.

    WHY DO YOU THINK THAT CBS SHOWS YOU OR BAMA WHENEVER IT CAN? because the other 10 don't draw better than teams in any other conference.

    so yes, sEc moron, the big 12 will exceed SEc ratings because it would have more marquee properties. The SEc is a regional draw b/c few of its grads go to other parts of the country.

    what the secer's don't understand is the location of the tv does not matter to advertisers.
    The one argument which used to have merit but has not for a couple of years "you need a team int he market to get your network on the cable providers in that market."

    now, that is aloud of bunk. I live in Atlanta yet i have the big 10 network on my cable.

    so here is the SEC issue: Do you have good enough people in your front office to convince providers to add your network if you don't have a team in the market. If not, then it shows you are dwarfed by the big 10.

    If so, then adding two filler teams does nothing more then make uf's cut of the pie smaller.

    Hence, checkers. You have added two teams that do not pay for themselves. smart move.

    This post was edited by TNOLE27 on 6/2/2012 at 7:52 PM

    TNOLE27

  • That last post is why I love the Ignore feature on the message boards to filter out the babbling idiots:).

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    ffnole

  • ffnole said...

    That last post is why I love the Ignore feature on the message boards to filter out the babbling idiots:).

    Take that mess out of here. This thread has been a discussions at least. Comments like that are not needed. If you don't agree that's fine, either discuss it on the board or ignore it. IMO, comments like that just derail a thread and are worthless. If you have an issue with what I said, pm me. Sorry for the hijack.

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  • ffnole said...

    That last post is why I love the Ignore feature on the message boards to filter out the babbling idiots:).

    you might not like TNOLE and his post is in Vogt type formatting but he makes a lot of valid points and its a good read.

    mmusi34

  • ffnole said...

    That last post is why I love the Ignore feature on the message boards to filter out the babbling idiots:).

    Talk to someone in the tv industry then decide who is the idiot.

    I challenge you to find one tv exec (I have spoken to two about it) that thinks adding Mizzou was anything but a stupid move for the SEC.

    Maybe you can point out to me what Mizzou gives to the SEC that it would not have given to the big 10. Unless you can show me something that would lead to more money for the SEC but would not have for the big 10 then it was not only a stupid move not only below the surface but also on its face.

    How do you explain your conundrum that you know what I posted while having your ignore feature on?

    TNOLE27

  • TNOLE27 said...

    Talk to someone in the tv industry then decide who is the idiot.

    I challenge you to find one tv exec (I have spoken to two about it) that thinks adding Mizzou was anything but a stupid move for the SEC.

    Maybe you can point out to me what Mizzou gives to the SEC that it would not have given to the big 10. Unless you can show me something that would lead to more money for the SEC but would not have for the big 10 then it was not only a stupid move not only below the surface but also on its face.

    How do you explain your conundrum that you know what I posted while having your ignore feature on?

    So you downvoted me because you made a stupid post and cannot defend it?

    That is amusing in both its immaturity and stupidity.

    You still haven't explained how you were able to divine what was in my post while having the ignore button on at the same time.

    Don't blame me for making you look like an idiot. You did that all on your own. I merely commented on the fact.

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    TNOLE27

  • He's a warchant reject, TN. Ignore him.

    I gave you three upvotes to counter....

    warface bass

  • Realignment is always about the money, never about the fans or the players.

    Realignment is costly in terms of travel time for the players, travel costs for the school and exit fees for the school. But the school gets all the revenues and the players pay for it with their travel time. They're being used as labor yet they're treated as student-athletes. How can they find their own time to be a student??

    Let's treat football players as human beings. Pay them a stipend. Avoid realignment.

    fars1d3s

  • Stipends won't do anything about realignment. For universities, there is no such thing as too much money. Realignment is about cash homie.

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  • fars1d3s said...

    Realignment is always about the money, never about the fans or the players.

    Realignment is costly in terms of travel time for the players, travel costs for the school and exit fees for the school. But the school gets all the revenues and the players pay for it with their travel time. They're being used as labor yet they're treated as student-athletes. How can they find their own time to be a student??

    Let's treat football players as human beings. Pay them a stipend. Avoid realignment.

    I am not against paying players something, but what department is the money going to come from?

    CelinaHorn

  • My comment wasnt directed to TNOLE27 and I dont down vote anyone. I enjoy his posts. How he thought my comment was directed at him I have no idea. This has been a good discussion for the most part.

    This post was edited by ffnole on 6/3/2012 at 7:55 PM

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  • ffnole said...

    My comment wasnt directed to TNOLE27 and I dont down vote anyone. I enjoy his posts. How he thought my comment was directed at him I have no idea. This has been a good discussion for the most part.

    I apologize

    TNOLE27