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satexas said...
Did you miss the whole 9 months of Baylor threats by Kenneth Starr causing TAMU to get delayed into entering the Big12?
Why do you think the league (Big12) is currently acting like they're doing nothing, and not approaching collages? Baylor showed the world last year that colleges much approach the conferences first, not the other way around, or the conference can get sued... how did you miss all that?
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satexas said...
Did you miss the whole 9 months of Baylor threats by Kenneth Starr causing TAMU to get delayed into entering the Big12?
Why do you think the league (Big12) is currently acting like they're doing nothing, and not approaching collages? Baylor showed the world last year that colleges much approach the conferences first, not the other way around, or the conference can get sued... how did you miss all that?
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AtlGator19 said...
You are a funny guy. Slive is the best Comm in the business... first billion $ TV deal, leader of the playoff system and has the votes for a committee instead of conference champion BS. Slive gets what he wants. The only things the Pac 12 or B1G accomplished first were to get a network or own regional markets;base on the SEC's model. If Slive was the Commish in the ACC or Big 12 neither would we be viewed as unstable or getting left behind, that's for sure.
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MCG3934 said...
I've never understood the fascination with Slive. The SEC unquestionably has the best football product over the past decade. Yet when they sign their next TV deal, they are definitely going to be behind the B1G and PAC and perhaps behind the Big 12 as well.
One would think with better leadership they would be in a position to be paid like the top football conference, not the third/fourth.
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blueblindness said...
After this "Project X" SEC TV deal is announced in a few months, the SEC will be the following:
1. Highest revenue league per team share while letting schools maintain Tier 3 rights. From what I'm reading, there will not even be a close second.
2. 6 straight national football championships and 7 of the last 9
3. If one of the baseball teams win this year, the first conference to ever have three different schools win the NC in football, men's basketball, and baseball in the same school calendar year (it has technically already happened if you count last year's baseball)
4. It would not cost a penny for a school to leave the league any way you cut it (buyouts, losing media rights revenue, etc.), yet no one has heard a peep in decades of any SEC school wanting to be anywhere else.
5. The conference that got what it wanted in the early 90's (conference championship that led to BCS format)
6. The league is getting a four team playoff, which the ACC and SEC introduced four years ago
7. Positioned to easily add a school from VA and NC if/when realignment occurs again. Va. Tech fans are already clamoring to come, and we could have NC State in a heartbeat. Look at the map. That is a true southeastern conference.
Yeah, Slive sure is playing checkers while everyone else is playing chess.
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ct_wallace said...
1. Thanks for sharing your unfounded Internet rumors with us. The folks at CBS may disagree with you.
2. Any league that pays $180k for a quarterback should be able to field good teams.
4. Mizzou would leave for the Big 10 in a heartbeat if they ever had the chance.
6. Try not to be too disappointed when the conference champions model gets approved.
7. NC State is not exactly a prize in the realignment game. Have fun splitting up those Tier 1 and 2 revenues even more.
You just posted a bunch of "internet rumors".
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ct_wallace said...
1. Thanks for sharing your unfounded Internet rumors with us. The folks at CBS may disagree with you.
2. Any league that pays $180k for a quarterback should be able to field good teams.
4. Mizzou would leave for the Big 10 in a heartbeat if they ever had the chance.
6. Try not to be too disappointed when the conference champions model gets approved.
7. NC State is not exactly a prize in the realignment game. Have fun splitting up those Tier 1 and 2 revenues even more.
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blueblindness said...
1. Any more unfounded than those on here saying it will be third or fourth valued? I do not consider Brett McMurphy, Tony Barnhart, Dennis Dodd, or Andy Staples to be the bastion of unfounded internet rumor.
2. You're better than that. Don't use "unfounded rumor" to make Point 1 and then use an unfounded rumor to answer Point 2.
4. You are probably right on this one. It makes no sense to me why the B1G did not take them considering what other options they now have going forward. South Carolina was in a similar state when they came into the SEC in the early 90's, and the conference association and commitment have elevated them to a top 15 revenue department and consistent competitor. Missouri is untapped potential, and I believe the SEC is willing to wait for it.
6. We shall see. Lines are certainly being drawn.
7. Same argument that I laid out in #4. They are untapped potential. The next wave would certainly include Va. Tech (realized value) and another state school that needs to get out of the shadow of big brother (same as TAMU).
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blueblindness said...
1. Any more unfounded than those on here saying it will be third or fourth valued? I do not consider Brett McMurphy, Tony Barnhart, Dennis Dodd, or Andy Staples to be the bastion of unfounded internet rumor. 2. You're better than that. Don't use "unfounded rumor" to make Point 1 and then use an unfounded rumor to answer Point 2. 4. You are probably right on this one. It makes no sense to me why the B1G did not take them considering what other options they now have going forward. South Carolina was in a similar state when they came into the SEC in the early 90's, and the conference association and commitment have elevated them to a top 15 revenue department and consistent competitor. Missouri is untapped potential, and I believe the SEC is willing to wait for it. 6. We shall see. Lines are certainly being drawn. 7. Same argument that I laid out in #4. They are untapped potential. The next wave would certainly include Va. Tech (realized value) and another state school that needs to get out of the shadow of big brother (same as TAMU).
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blueblindness said...
After this "Project X" SEC TV deal is announced in a few months, the SEC will be the following:
1. Highest revenue league per team share while letting schools maintain Tier 3 rights. From what I'm reading, there will not even be a close second.
2. 6 straight national football championships and 7 of the last 9
3. If one of the baseball teams win this year, the first conference to ever have three different schools win the NC in football, men's basketball, and baseball in the same school calendar year (it has technically already happened if you count last year's baseball)
4. It would not cost a penny for a school to leave the league any way you cut it (buyouts, losing media rights revenue, etc.), yet no one has heard a peep in decades of any SEC school wanting to be anywhere else.
5. The conference that got what it wanted in the early 90's (conference championship that led to BCS format)
6. The league is getting a four team playoff, which the ACC and SEC introduced four years ago
7. Positioned to easily add a school from VA and NC if/when realignment occurs again. Va. Tech fans are already clamoring to come, and we could have NC State in a heartbeat. Look at the map. That is a true southeastern conference.Yeah, Slive sure is playing checkers while everyone else is playing chess.
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blueblindness said...
The CBS money is understandably not changing unless the SEC goes to a 9 game conference schedule. As the Tier 1 rights holder, they are just getting the best game, so anything short of adding Texas, Notre Dame, or USC probably does not move the needle since none of the SEC's additions are currently worth more than the top dogs that will be on every possible week (Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, USCe). Adding FSU would probably move our Tier 1 needle a bit but not really help with our Tier 2 since they do not add new cable subscribers (already have it with UF). It is the ESPN money (as you said, Tier 2) that is significant from an inventory standpoint. What is most critical is the footprint for an SEC Network of sorts that has a subscription price attached, similar to the B1G Network. The FOX regional networks operate similarly, the SEC needs more households where that Network would be at a level where it would be included in all of our states' regional packages and most of the national packages (I live in Nashville but get the B1G Network by moving up one tier on my cable. Fox Sports Tennessee comes standard for me. The SEC Network would need to have a large footprint to get included in that initial sports packages tier, not buried like an international soccer channel).
Believe me, SEC fans are not thrilled with every decision they are making right now. It is frustrating that they will not go to a 9 game schedule in order for everyone to play in a 3 year cycle instead of 8 with the 6-1-1 model. It seems cowardly. However, when it comes to media deals, the SEC has been outstanding ever since Slive had a say. They had the largest TV deal until a few years ago and had to somehow sell the MS, AL, AR, and KY markets. The argument that UM, TAMU, NC State, and Va. Tech will not create value is based off of how they operated under Big 12 and ACC arrangements. TAMU, NC State, and Va. Tech may not have had obvious media value because all three are under the same coverage area as other schools of approximate or greater value (UT, UNC, UVA). When split apart and sold to new audiences, they do become a valuable footprint. Yes, ultimately eyeballs watching are critical, but those viewers will come based off exposure to a new, hopefully improved product. The electronic footprint, as Bowlsby likes to say, is what the SEC has also been doing all along. It just so happens that a common sense geographic footprint has gone along with it well. This whole conversation started by someone earlier stating that Slive was playing checkers while others are playing chess. I have said all of this to say that his decisions show that he has been more than competent to get an obviously underpopulated conference from before 2012 into the (or at least a) top position with conferences with much larger populations. Adding Texas, Missouri, Virginia, and North Carolina may seem insignificant to those conferences already there, but it is critical to the SEC to start planting flags in those populations. That's all I'm trying to say.
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blueblindness said...
From everything I am reading, the SEC's "Project X" will be the top revenue earner and it will not even be a close second. In addition, the SEC schools are expected to keep all of their Tier 3 rights. The SEC is currently in 3 or 4th from their TV deal several years ago, which they smartly placed supplemented with a renegotiation clause. This one is going to be big.
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satexas said...
1. Bias is obvious when you refer to them as "little aggy". Kinda ruins any point you're trying to make.
2. So you lose 2 bigger names in Mizzou and Texas A&M, and add in WVU and TCU and you think you got a contract raise because of it? Who are you trying to kid there?
(No matter how much you hate, no chance TAMU + MIZZOU is not greater than TCU + WVU)
Texas, OU (and TAMU) were ALREADY making the 20 million that the conference is NOW making on their NEW deal. That's not a raise. The other teams got a raise, but couldn't one easily point out that EVERY CONTRACT ON THE PLANET is higher than before, due to economies of scale.
.... but hey, if you want to live in fantasyland being a "hater" instead.. I guess go for it.
IF you disagree, then let's go one step further - ESPN is already on the hook saying adding FSU won't cause a raise in the current contract... so does that mean FSU's worthless? Get my point yet?
You lose 2 bigger names in Mizzou and Texas A&M, Ha Ha Ha Ha, I would take WVU any day over you too, are you kidding me,even TCU has been more relevant than a&m and Mizzou over the last 10+ years. Stop with the "hater" crap just realize what you have gotten you self into and enjoy your 4 win season for the next 10 years. You are just pissed the Big 12 will become even bigger than the SEC if they were to add FSU and Clemson, not to mention Notre Dame. What a upgrade from a&m and Mizzou. The only big lose for the Big 12 was Nebraska and don't be a fool and think other wise. Please let me know when you finally able to make a bowl game, good luck, you are really going to need it. 
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TNOLE27 said...
For all this talk, it is in the SEC's interests to have the big 12 viable but not as powerful as the Sec. Adding Fsu and Clemson makes the big 12 as powerful as the Sec because it has more national appeal due to its intersectional nature but primarily because of its marquee names and their ability to turn on tv sets.
If nd joins then the Sec becomes the truly junior player in the partnership to the point the big 12 doesn't need the Sec partnership for negotiating with the PAC 12 and big 10. . What the sec needs is to either get Fsu, doubtful because it was scorned once by Fsu or try to get nd. To join the ACC. That will make the ACC a viable 5th conference which will typically vote with the sec. as to Sec brilliance, no one who is brilliant takes another conferences's reject when it adds nothing to Your conference. Mizzou would have adsame exact things to the big10 it supposedly does to the sec.
So who is smarter? Schools in the big 10 or the sec.? That is a funny joke.
as others have said, the ACC contract is the best indicator of all that turning on tv sets and not tv footprint is all th matters.
The SEC has NEVER needed or will ever need FSU to make money or survive. It's funny that you throw ND in there because that will be the only way the BIG 12 may leap the SEC in vaule. Adding FSU and Clemson makes the Big12 as strong as the SEC?
in what?
Slive>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ACC+B12 Commish
Also all the talk about "better" TV deal is pretty pointless because each time one of the Big 4 signs a new deal its going to thrump the others (SEC Network or ND being x-factors).
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