Unconquered

I understand that everyone wants to go to the Big12 now fueled by the frustration of the ACC.

When you're dying to go to a different place, you immedately become an apologist to it. Humans are funny like that.

Now, while your history has some truth, it's been dumbed-down simplified masking the real history.

There's common denominator, and it's Texas.

When each team that attempted to bail, did it try to take Texas? No.
When each team that successfully bailed, was the main reason Texas? Yes.

You can justify all you want how Texas is some proverbial scapegoat and other schools just have their own issues so that you can make yourself feel better about the Big12 and in a way justify in your mind it would be a PERFECT FIT for FSU.. but the reality is, we're leaving one evil for another if FSU goes Big12. So just accept it.

Texas has been smart for years - they got the power, and they've used it. Sure, the last 5 years it's come to haunt them, but they've made a crapload of money in the meantime and are now the country's most profitable by a LANDSLIDE. Yes, I'm admitting that as an Aggie Alum. Landslide. They got the power, and they've used it, and they've abused it, and they've made a lot of Big12 schools their beotch. Can I blame them? From a business standpoint, no. It's the other schools fault for putting up with it and letting it happen. To the credit of some of those schools, they hauled ass. Oklahoma would have left to the PAC (with OKState and TTU) had the PAC not demanded that Texas must come too.

If FSU was smart, if they make that jump they'll protect the crap out of themselves in the contract negotations with the conference. It's the only way to protect yourself... because when conference matters start happening, and votes come up ... FSU will lose every single conference vote. You need to start accepting that now. You think Duke/NC run the ACC? Well you have no idea how it is in the Big12 buddy...

Hmm I hadn't seen this thread til just now. Awful smokey in here.

good lord, who is in you sig?

The answer is complicated, but simple. It's math.

I have to explain it this way, for you to "get it".

1. "THREE Tiers of Money" - Texas had the most revenue for years, with OU, Nebraska, Texas A&M getting second level money, and then finally the rest of the schools getting the small shares.

2. "TWO Tiers of Money" - Then a few years back, Nebraska finally revolted up, and the revenue issue came up with Texas A&M screaming the loudest about it. Texas agreed to give EQUAL share to both Texas A&M and Oklahoma... making them "Tier 1" and the rest of the schools, "Teir 2". Also, in this model, Texas, A&M and OU were given 20mil guarantees.

3. A&M Revolted - and applied to the SEC (last year).

Texas was now underfire by the schools it controlled in the Big12, and the conference was on shaky ground. A&M basically called Texas's bluff and Missouri then started trying to feel out the Big10 again. A&M submitting their paperwork to leave put the power of the conference's survial into Oklahoma's hands. Oklahoma then started their news conferences on "We're reviewing our options" and started talking with the PAC. At this point, all the other small schools had something to say, and Texas took a lot of heat. When you rule like Texas did, when things get rocky, it comes back to bite you. The Commissioner (Beebe) was Texas's puppet (undisputed fact) and was promply fired - basically forced by Oklahoma. OU agreed to bring in the notoriously unbiased Chuck Neinas, to act as Interim and basically a negotiator.

Texas had a problem - and they were looking REALLY hard at going Independant at that point, as it looked like OU/OKState and Tech were going to the PAC with maybe Missouri, and with TAMU going SEC. Texas could easily have gone independant, they were and are making enough money off their ESPN Longhorn network contract to do so. What's ideal, but it would work. They didn't want to go to the PAC because they couldn't keep their Longhorn network and subconsciously they knew they couldn't "rule" the PAC like they do the Big12. Nobody likes to go from Manager to Employee.

While all this was going on, Baylor was in Lawsuit city. If you don't know who Baylor's president is, then you don't follow poltics much. Baylor's president, Starr, was out for blood - his school's survival was based on being in a big conference and he was homeless if the Big12 died... Baylor would have lost a LOT of money. A LOT. Baylor, along with Chuck Neinas tried to negotiate "equality for all, just like the other conferences" to pacify all the schools not named Texas.. and Texas relented to it...... ----> because they had the Longhorn Network paying them 20 million anyway....

See?

Texas's options :

1. Big12, keep control as big dog, little less money relenting to equal revenue.. BUT, keeping your 20 million a year in longhorn network.

2. PAC, getting about 5 million more a year in conference money, but losing Longhorn Network and 20 million.

3. Going Independant - Risky as heck

... the choice was obvious their preference... #1, #3 and then #2.

When the PAC came forward and said "No Oklahoma/OKState without Texas coming too", then PAC deal was dead.. because that shifted the "power" out of Oklahoma's hands and back into Texas.

You never heard from the PAC after that in the new, and Oklahoma released a press statement within 48 hours that stated their preference was to stay in the Big12 and cement it longterm.

Saved face. Texas rules.

FSU would fit in well then

You put a lot of work into that piece of fiction. Bravo.

"I'm going to post a bunch of lies."
"Hey, uh, none of that is true."
"I'm leaving!!"

I also see that you have a 247 rating of 50. Could you be more of an obvious troll?

Dude, I actually enjoy reading your post here, dont let this guy run you off. If fsu is in this bad a shape, let's do the big 12 thing...I for one, would love to see the noles beat the hell out of Texas every year.

Rivver is a Texas fan not a FSU fan for what its worth.

Reading through this and other threads have led me to the idea that, while I would support a move to the Big 12, I could very quickly see myself entirely disliking Texas fans.

During the Mario Edwards recruitment (*cough*suck it tex-bitches*cough*), the Texas fans were near intolerable and sound very much like burnt umber gator fans.

I hope we do go. There are many reasons, covered throughout this thread, but having the chance to kick Texas' arrogant @$$es year in, and year out, is a big one for me. We also add Texas/Oklahoma to our recruiting zones, and we not only take top talent from the gators, but we take it from those two as well.

God, I hate Texas. Can't wait to smash those punks. If we go to the B12, I hope we play in their house first, and set a HEAVY @$$ whooping precident to their fans, and their state.

I was in Texas for two weeks, and I'm a Canadian, so as you know, an awfully cordial, welcoming, and friendly chap. I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER, met a group of people like those in Texas. Maybe i had an "I hate America" shirt on and didn't know it, but I found a less than welcoming bunch. Also, I don't have a problem with people's pride in their nation, but getting daily lectures from random cowboys, about how I should move to America before they took us over anyway, was ridiculous.

**** Texas.