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  • Burleynole said...

    I'm kinda mixed on the situation.

    I think it would benefit FSU financially with TV contracts to join the Big XII. But, I don't like the travel situations with the closest opponent being Clemson, then...?? Ticket sales would be great for FSU-UT every other year in Tally, but what would the conference alignment look like?

    North-South as it is now? East-West, maybe? Logistically I'm not sure how it would work. It looks great financially though.

    Yea, because staying in the ACC and playing Cuse, BC and UMD every year in our division wouldn't require travel?

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  • PanicFSU said...

    OU won't leave OSU behind.

    Not true.

    OU had meetings with Texas A&M in College Station with the SEC on MULTIPLE occassions. OU wasn't sure if it would be forced at that time (later it was confirmed) by their state legislature or not. Texas A&M thought for years it was tied down to Texas, but the year before the left.. the first time they flirted with the SEC, they learned how much power they had in the state both in the Legislature, the Govenor and the Lt. Govenor.. and that emboldened them (A&M) when they chose to leave.

    So yes, we know NOW that OU can't leave OKState behind, but it wasn't _known_ before as fact as it was never "tested". OU figured it out real fast when Boone Pickens made a huge stink for OKState and got the whole state embroiled in the drama. At that point, they told the SEC it was over (The SEC refused OKState the whole time), and they looked to the PAC. (The Big10 was never an option, OU doesn't have the academic creds)... but I'm getting a little ahead of the story/timeline.

    The "rest" of that story is that OU tried to get Texas to regnotiate their dominance to stay in the Big12 and Texas was "talking" and starting to let go of it's power.... at the same time, OU started talking to the PAC about a move to the PAC with OKState. The PAC held meetings, and came back with "We want you, but only if you bring Texas too, along with Texas Tech... and Texas can't keep it's network.". Texas Tech, who's Texas's beotch said yes, but Texas quickly realized that the PAC deal is completely dead without them... which then strategically removed OU's power in the Big12 to continue to demand things from Texas. Basically, Texas realized they had OU by the balls, and whatever Texas chose to do, OU (and OKState) were along for the ride. Texas wisely chose to keep their cake and eat it to by "recommitting" everyone to the Big12 so they could keep their Longhorn network, their special revenue stream and all their internal power.

    And it was so. And that's where we are today.

    This post was edited by satexas on 5/3/2012 at 5:39 AM

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  • satexas said...

    I agree with your point.... but....

    ... the SEC didn't handle that situation poorly at all.

    That whole thing with Texas A&M was about Texas A&M verus Texas, and the power struggle in the conference, about Texas breaking conference rules, then NCAA rules (high school on Longhorn Network) and about revenue sharing, etc. Nebraska got "fed up" with it, and totally pissed off and just walked. They got out quiet because they're a non-Texas school, didn't have a "sister/brother" school....and the conference wasn't in jeopardy at all. Colorado left because they ALWAYS preferred the PAC, and got their chance... but they agreed with Nebraska's reasons too.

    Texas A&M? Now that's a fight. Texas A&M leaving caused the conference to go into guaranteed chaos - and that it did. Texas used it's b|tch in Baylor (who sits just a few miles off Austin) to fight Texas A&M over it, after Texas A&M called Texas's bluff... then boom, a monster fight happened.

    Did Texas threaten to never play TAMU again? Yup and that one, they actually followed through (for now). Did Texas threaten to overpower TAMU in the state legislature and take away some of their share of the land grant money? Sure did. (failed)

    Texas went hog-wild over it, and played every mean trick in the book.

    What did Texas A&M do? Nothing, they just left. Before leaving, they even got a guarantee (in the SEC contract) that they could always play Texas if they wanted to AND it could be on Thanksgiving.

    So why did the SEC handle this poorly? They didn't. Actually, they shocked me and handled it pretty damn professionally. They didn't come to TAMU, TAMU came to them... and they "refused" to "poach". The ACC poached the Big East, but you don't hear about that because nobody cared/cares about those schools..... but breaking up a conference that basically consists of the whole state of Texas? Now that's a fight. And it was. And still is.

    This is a complete crock. There was never any power struggle. Nebraska and Colorado both left because they became irrelevant in football while in the Big 12. UT beat NU 11 out of 12 meetings and their petty egos couldn't handle it. So NU abandons their Texas recruiting gold mine to leave for the Big 10 where they think they can compete better in a very down Big 10. Then they lose to Northwestern in year 1. Brilliant plan by NU.

    A&M leaving was absolutely not a big deal for anyone but A&M. They left in a desperate search for relevance after 15 years of .500 or below football and they are crazy enough to believe things will get better as a cellar dweller in the SEC. Their athletic program was going broke because their attendance was way down due to long term poor performance so they walked away from over 100 years of football tradition to defer financial disaster for a few years. Once the SEC gets a close look at the weird cult in College Station, they will understand why everyone in the Big 12 was happy to see A&M go.

    MU is a complete joke. They beg for admission to the Big 10 and get passed over for NU so they decide to abandon their historical rivals and their Texas recruiting base to go play in the SEC east? Great idea!

    The third Tier rights issue is complete BS. The whole Big 12 including the departed members voted to keep their own third tier rights. UT offered to join A&M in a Texas network for third tier rights but A&M said no and then got their panties in a wad when UT signed a huge third tier deal.

    TCU and WVU are big upgrades over Mizzou and A&M in football. The current Big 12 had 6 teams in the final top 20 in football last year and that did not include UT. The addition of FSU and Clemson and GT/Miami would take a good football conference profile to great and perhaps reinvigorate attendance at FSU while opening up Texas as a recruiting area while dramatically increasing FSU's revenues. A no brainer for FSU.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by InsightTexas on 5/3/2012 at 6:14 AM

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  • No brainer for FSU = SURE after catching a glimpse of a potential budget deficit.

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  • o-town nole said...

    It would be idiotic If FSU was presented the opportunity to go to the Big 12 without Miami and didn't. Miami is a sinking ship. Their athletic department continues to dwindle and if they aren't already, they will be irrelevant soon. Florida means much more to FSU than Miami. I understand there is tradition, but tradition can be sacrificed if it meant a huge increase in revenue, which FSU absolutely needs. Not only can FSU survive without Miami, but they can thrive without them if put in the right situation.

    FSU has to put it's financial future first. If it means not scheduling Miami then so be it. It would be totally irresponsible of our Leadership to let this stand in the way of our financial security.

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  • rrisher said...

    i wont happen, it would get vetoed. some SEC schools have an agreement with each other to all veto any of those teams rivals if there is a chance they might join the SEC. basically florida, georgia, USC would join together and veto FSU, GT and clemson from joining. i also remember hearing that bama and auburn would also veto it.

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  • satexas said...

    Not true.

    OU had meetings with Texas A&M in College Station with the SEC on MULTIPLE occassions. OU wasn't sure if it would be forced at that time (later it was confirmed) by their state legislature or not. Texas A&M thought for years it was tied down to Texas, but the year before the left.. the first time they flirted with the SEC, they learned how much power they had in the state both in the Legislature, the Govenor and the Lt. Govenor.. and that emboldened them (A&M) when they chose to leave.

    So yes, we know NOW that OU can't leave OKState behind, but it wasn't _known_ before as fact as it was never "tested". OU figured it out real fast when Boone Pickens made a huge stink for OKState and got the whole state embroiled in the drama. At that point, they told the SEC it was over (The SEC refused OKState the whole time), and they looked to the PAC. (The Big10 was never an option, OU doesn't have the academic creds)... but I'm getting a little ahead of the story/timeline.

    The "rest" of that story is that OU tried to get Texas to regnotiate their dominance to stay in the Big12 and Texas was "talking" and starting to let go of it's power.... at the same time, OU started talking to the PAC about a move to the PAC with OKState. The PAC held meetings, and came back with "We want you, but only if you bring Texas too, along with Texas Tech... and Texas can't keep it's network.". Texas Tech, who's Texas's beotch said yes, but Texas quickly realized that the PAC deal is completely dead without them... which then strategically removed OU's power in the Big12 to continue to demand things from Texas. Basically, Texas realized they had OU by the balls, and whatever Texas chose to do, OU (and OKState) were along for the ride. Texas wisely chose to keep their cake and eat it to by "recommitting" everyone to the Big12 so they could keep their Longhorn network, their special revenue stream and all their internal power.

    And it was so. And that's where we are today.

    Your second an third paragraph confirmed my statement.

    OU won't leave OSU behind.

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  • Noleville said...

    The only REAL rivals we have in the ACC are Clemson and Miami. If we can take them with us then the hell with the freaking ACC, what's the point?? And if GT is the 4th, wow, what a bonus that would be. Baseball with Texas, OU, Clemson, Miami and FSU would have to be the best in the nation as well..

    Amen.

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  • satexas said...

    FSU won't go without Miami. Bank it.

    Last time you said this, Mark Stoops stayed at FSU...and my bank took back my car.

    As far as B12 stuff, I'm sure your info has merit, but I am fairly confident that this is 100% baseless speculation. Sorry Russ...but it actually got laughed at.

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  • I don't know where anyone would get the crazy idea that A&M is going broke and that the B-12 don't miss them, but it's completely foolish. A&M is cash rich, they aren't hurting for money in the slightest. Nebraska was a power broker in the B-8 before Texas came in. It's not that they didn't want to share power, it's that they were tired of Texas doing whatever they wanted regardless of any conference interests. It's the same reason why Colorado left, Mizzu couldn't wait to go and that OU was fishing around for another home. All of those schools want to get away from 1 school, there's a reason for that and it's not the Texas version of "envy"..

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  • satexas said...

    That's true today. But eventually, Miami will right that ship. Miami will ALWAYS be a threat as long as they're sitting in the middle of the single best hotbed of recruits 100 years running.

    I know the arms races has them behind in facilities and their president is holding them back (athletically).... but Miami's already proven in the past they can come out of nowhere and ice that cake.. and there's no reason they can't do it again.

    You know what they say in business right?

    "Location, Location, Location"

    Miami's run of success happened when no one truly understood how much talent lived in South Florida and Miami held a monopoly of it. Miami's success eventually opened the yes of college coaches and scouts and now South Florida is one of the most hotly contested recruting areas in the country. With the additions of USF, FAU, and FIU, alot of local kids are learning they can play D1 football and still live close to home without having to go through UM. If FIU or FAU ever found themselves in a BCS conference, UM is going to be in even more trouble. The way college football has evolved since their championship years, UM does not have the facilities, backing, or resources to continually contend for titles anymore. Those days are long gone.

    With that being said, if this move happened, and we felt compelled to drop one of our state rivals, it will probably be UM since their downward spiral means the game is less important to us. Still, somehow Cane fans will say we dropped UM because were scared.

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  • Noleville said...

    I don't know where anyone would get the crazy idea that A&M is going broke and that the B-12 don't miss them, but it's completely foolish. A&M is cash rich, they aren't hurting for money in the slightest. Nebraska was a power broker in the B-8 before Texas came in. It's not that they didn't want to share power, it's that they were tired of Texas doing whatever they wanted regardless of any conference interests. It's the same reason why Colorado left, Mizzu couldn't wait to go and that OU was fishing around for another home. All of those schools want to get away from 1 school, there's a reason for that and it's not the Texas version of "envy"..

    Wrong, don't drink the Agroid koolaid...Insight Texas in on point...Missouri started this whole thing with trying to get a bite from the Big 10 and they got left at the alter for Neb. Nebraska was butt hurt from the day the Big 12 started and they were not the dominant player that they were in the Big 8. They usurped the Missou Big 10 bid and Colorado had always longed for the PAC 12 long before any of this started.

    As for Aggy, they were offered to share with the TV network years ago and said no because they saw no money in it...Good foresight...They agreed to the terms of the new Big 12 and got the same money as Texas and OU...But in typical Aggie fashion, they freaked out and went to the SEC for the main reason of not wanting to be Texas little brother any longer...And yes, their Athletic Department is constantly borrowing millions from the general revenue fund to operate their sports.

    As for the Network, we have money but very little distribution yet. If ESPN would have offered, you'ld have done the same thing. By the way, I will not apologize for a strong AD and him representing the interests..,It's a conference, not a monarchy. Saying Texas is too mean is pusillanimous.

    I would love FSU to be in the Big 12 but if you don't want to, fine..,Today's headlines of budget deficits will just continue. You have a great program here...I hope it works out whatever you decide...

    Hookem!!

    This post was edited by Bandit18 on 5/3/2012 at 11:54 AM

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  • InsightTexas said...

    This is a complete crock. There was never any power struggle. Nebraska and Colorado both left because they became irrelevant in football while in the Big 12. UT beat NU 11 out of 12 meetings and their petty egos couldn't handle it. So NU abandons their Texas recruiting gold mine to leave for the Big 10 where they think they can compete better in a very down Big 10. Then they lose to Northwestern in year 1. Brilliant plan by NU.

    A&M leaving was absolutely not a big deal for anyone but A&M. They left in a desperate search for relevance after 15 years of .500 or below football and they are crazy enough to believe things will get better as a cellar dweller in the SEC. Their athletic program was going broke because their attendance was way down due to long term poor performance so they walked away from over 100 years of football tradition to defer financial disaster for a few years. Once the SEC gets a close look at the weird cult in College Station, they will understand why everyone in the Big 12 was happy to see A&M go.

    Wow, I give you actual facts and the story of what happened, non-bias and you respond with "this"? Are you even kidding me?

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  • satexas,

    Ag?

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  • PanicFSU said...

    Urban legend

    No, it's not legend. You have no basis for saying so outside of your beliefs. I know it to be true from direct contacts from within the SEC meetings, not secondhand.

    It's also true that the SEC doesn't covet FSU because they feel they don't bring in a media market when they feel that Florida (University of) already covers the state well.

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  • Jadaway said...

    TAMU, Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri couldn't wait to get away. Why is that? What has changed where FSU wouldn't hate it as much as those teams? I was under the impression their reasons were much more than money

    Honest answer?

    Colorado jumped to the Pac 12 when it looked like the entite Big 12 South would be leaving and they didn't want to be left out. They've wanted to be in the Pac 12 for 30 years.

    Nebraska was never happy in the Big 12. They acted as though the Big 8 was "saving" the Texas schools when in reality, both needed eachother. It didn't help that partial qualifiers, which Nebraska built it's team on, were all but eliminated. When conference votes would go 11-1 against what they wanted, they would publically whine about Texas running the conference.

    Missouri wanted out all along as well. Their flirtation with the Big 10 caused other teams to look around (Texas + others to the Pac 12). When equality was brought to the conference (equal revenue sharing), and a Grant of Rights was on the table, they decided to bolt.

    Texas A&M simply had a case of little brother syndrome. For over a century, they were Texas' b*tch on and off the field and wanted out.

    Or you could believe what people outside of all of this and who haven't been following it the entire time think, and that is "omg everything is Texas' fault."

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