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  • 954nole said...

    He would be UF's #1 offensive player...seriously.

    I believe that also but with him having not caught a collegiate pass it's too much to say at this point. At least a guy like Debose has proven he can run real fast in a straight line IN a game.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    I believe that also but with him having not caught a collegiate pass it's too much to say at this point. At least a guy like Debose has proven he can run real fast in a straight line IN a game.

    You are so right....

    Because any fanbase thats trying to compare a KB to an all american Sammy Watkins, has to know what theyre talking about.

    CRgator1

  • 954nole said...

    He would be UF's #1 offensive player...seriously.

    UF sucks with wrs atm, I agree, but FSUs wrs didnt wow anybody against tough defenses.

    R. Greene
    Okl-70 yds, 1 td (56 yd hail mary)
    Miami-3 catches/19 yds
    Virginia-4 catches/21 yds
    UF-0/0

    R. Smith
    Okl-1 catch/16 yds
    Mia-1 catch/21 yds
    Virg-1 catch/4 yds
    UF-2 catches/16 yds

    C. Green
    Mia-4/55
    Virg-2 catches/2 yds
    UF-2 catches/27 yds

    EJ Manuel
    Ok-0 td passes
    UM-1 td pass
    Virg-1 td pass
    UF-0 td passes

    I would agree FSU is definitely deeper and better than uf in the wr dept, but thats not really saying much.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    You are so right....

    Because any fanbase thats trying to compare a KB to an all american Sammy Watkins, has to know what theyre talking about.

    Reading comprehension. See 2nd post.

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  • healthguyfsu said...

    Reading comprehension. See 2nd post.

    Reading comprehension:

    Look at stats

    CRgator1

  • Noleville said...

    Clemson had 2 maybe 3 targets to throw to, so he got the lions share. Here he's going to be behind Greene, Haulsted, Smith, Green, and that's just on the outside. He'll also split catches with Shaw, Dent, Heggins, O'Leary and Hicks.

    One thing Clemson is not short on is skill players. They have Ellington, Bellamy, Watkins, Hopkins, Allen, and another good receiver whose name escapes me atm.

    Watkins was what made it go because he made defenses key on him. I think Benjamin could do the same for us because he's a humongous mismatch. I'm not sure why everyone think its so crazy that a guy can come in his first year and make waves. Watkins did it. Freeman did it to a lesser extent for us. It's not out of the question and I'll admit I'm bored in the offseason so I'm conjecturing but really didn't think a vague analogy to a playmaker would be digested with so much "astute analysis".

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  • CRgator1 said...

    Reading comprehension:

    Look at stats

    I could give two shits about your "stats". Go back to your hole and maybe then you'll realize that I'm not in the same argument with you as other people in the thread.

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  • healthguyfsu said...

    I could give two shits about your "stats". Go back to your hole and maybe then you'll realize that I'm not in the same argument with you as other people in the thread.

    I clearly quoted someone other than you, I have no idea where u even came from.

    Youre right, u werent in that area of discussion, but you posted the reading comprehension comment, lol.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    I clearly quoted someone other than you, I have no idea where u even came from.

    Youre right, u werent in that area of discussion, but you posted the reading comprehension comment, lol.

    Look, I know how arrogant your kind can be and how you automatically think you are 10x smarter than anyone else so let me explain a few things to you:

    1. "Because any fanbase thats trying to compare a KB to an all american Sammy Watkins, has to know what theyre talking about."

    Direct shot at my original post which I clearly explained what I meant in my 2nd post. That's why I said "reading comprehension...see 2nd post". If you re-read it out loud slowly to yourself maybe you'll catch on. You're so incredibly thick headed that words like "could be" and "would be nice" in the 1st post missed your eyeballs due to excessive swelling from your cranium.

    I never made any direct comparsions, to running styles, or even said he would be an all-american...all of that was the creative license from your superior intellect and a few people that want to read more into what someone says than is actually written.

    2. Your useless "stat" posting that isn't even worth copying

    This post is so selective and overly simplistic that it doesn't take into account many things for example:
    -The OL struggles we had all season which are magnified in big games. We started a full freshman OL in our bowl game because our OL was gone. WRs can't really get catches if the QB can't even set and get them the ball.

    -You also left out Clemson who was a highly ranked opponent that we put up big receiving numbers on with a first time starting freshman QB...but that game wasn't convenient for your argument.

    -EJ was also injured for half of the OU game and played banged up the entire season behind said OL.

    -You picked out 3 of our better receivers but left out the other 5 or so we routinely rotated in and guys that saw alot of action before getting hurt like Jared Haggins, Kenny Shaw, and Bert Reed. Bottom line FSU is so deep at receiver that we don't need one guy to make all the catches. Even still, 2 of the guys you selected were freshmen and any team is going to have lower receiving numbers than usual against better opponents.

    Second, even if your argument were valid (stifled laughter) you would actually be making a case why Benjamin could be more of a difference maker on our offense since our WRs are so lackluster by your impeccable standards.

    Try and keep up with all of that...I at least attempted to limit the use of big words for you.

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  • Oh and got tacos?

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  • CRgator1 said...

    UF sucks with wrs atm, I agree, but FSUs wrs didnt wow anybody against tough defenses.

    R. Greene
    Okl-70 yds, 1 td (56 yd hail mary)
    Miami-3 catches/19 yds
    Virginia-4 catches/21 yds
    UF-0/0

    R. Smith
    Okl-1 catch/16 yds
    Mia-1 catch/21 yds
    Virg-1 catch/4 yds
    UF-2 catches/16 yds

    C. Green
    Mia-4/55
    Virg-2 catches/2 yds
    UF-2 catches/27 yds

    EJ Manuel
    Ok-0 td passes
    UM-1 td pass
    Virg-1 td pass
    UF-0 td passes

    I would agree FSU is definitely deeper and better than uf in the wr dept, but thats not really saying much.

    Those stats are more of an indictment of our OL play. Our WR corps is easily top five in the country. The unit battled a ton of injuries last year and was without Willie Haulstead all season.

    BigErn

  • healthguyfsu said...

    Oh and got tacos?

    I couldnt copy your long post.

    But the stats were me being a d*ck and also sort of agreeing with your topic.

    Your top 3 receivers, regardless of class, didnt blow anybody decent up.

    So there maybe a bigger need for a playmaker, then some are willing to admit.

    CRgator1

  • BigErn said...

    Those stats are more of an indictment of our OL play. Our WR corps is easily top five in the country. The unit battled a ton of injuries last year and was without Willie Haulstead all season.

    The ol' off. line/injuries reasoning.

    I wish we had that excuse.

    Top 5 or not; against Okl, UM, Virg, and UF, there were maybe 2 td passes thrown.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    You are so right....

    Because any fanbase thats trying to compare a KB to an all american Sammy Watkins, has to know what theyre talking about.

    The FSU fanbase started this thread? Solid logic there champ.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    The FSU fanbase started this thread? Solid logic there champ.

    Yeah I can admit I reached there.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    Yeah I can admit I reached there.

    Haha, you're enjoying a good Sunday afternoon battle. I can appreciate it.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    Haha, you're enjoying a good Sunday afternoon battle. I can appreciate it.

    Yessir.

    After spring football/NBA playoffs my weekend depression will fully kick in.

    Gonna take alot of rival debates to get through those couple of months.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    Yessir.

    After spring football/NBA playoffs my weekend depression will fully kick in.

    Gonna take alot of rival debates to get through those couple of months.

    Perhaps use some of that time to study the correct usage of "than" vs "then".

    Just a thought... [puts up hands and backs away]. Carry on.

    This post was edited by WillyDees on 4/1/2012 at 4:31 PM

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  • CRgator1 said...

    The ol' off. line/injuries reasoning.

    I wish we had that excuse.

    Top 5 or not; against Okl, UM, Virg, and UF, there were maybe 2 td passes thrown.

    The reasoning is sound if you watched us last year. Also we were without four of our top five receivers for a good stretch.

    BigErn

  • WillyDees said...

    Perhaps use some of that time to study the correct usage of "than" vs "then".

    Just a thought... [puts up hands and backs away]. Carry on.

    Uh oh mega nerd alert...

    What would a football discussion be without the grammar police....[takes glasses off and blows the lens]

    CRgator1

  • BigErn said...

    The reasoning is sound if you watched us last year. Also we were without four of our top five receivers for a good stretch.

    So UF didnt have some sound reasons for lack of offensive production?

    Im not debating the potential of FSUs receivers, but against Okl, UM, Virg, and UF the production was lackluster.

    Injuries/oline play is definitely a valid point though.

    But, we had the same exact problems that I see arent good enough reasons to have been mentioned here.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    So UF didnt have some sound reasons for lack of offensive production?

    Im not debating the potential of FSUs receivers, but against Okl, UM, Virg, and UF the production was lackluster.

    Injuries/oline play is definitely a valid point though.

    But, we had the same exact problems that I see arent good enough reasons to have been mentioned here.

    I didn't mention anything about UF. I was strictly talking about our kids.

    UF has been hurt by the Meyer/Weis transition and some kids transferring. That's tough to shore up quickly as receivers don't always contribute right away.

    When comparing both receiving corps it's hard not to give FSU an easy checkmark. We've simply recruited better at the position and are developing kids quicker.

    I don't think anyone expects it to last forever. Once UF gets it together offensively I'm sure things will even out.

    BigErn

  • I'm pretty sure that fsu's db's had more catches in the Florida game then the Florida WR's

    StevenM1

  • StevenM1 said...

    I'm pretty sure that fsu's db's had more catches in the Florida game then the Florida WR's

    Our DBs may have had more catches than their WRs

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  • CRgator1 said...

    UF sucks with wrs atm, I agree, but FSUs wrs didnt wow anybody against tough defenses.

    Why didn't you include Notre Dame? Their defense was ranked higher (#34) than Oklahoma and Miami.

    It's also debatable if C. Green is better than Shaw:

    Shaw 34-418 yds. 4 tds. 34.8 yds. per game (missed one game)
    Green 26-450 yds. 0 tds. 34.6 yds. per game

    Here's their stats against Notre Dame:

    R. Greene 5-99 yds. 1 td.
    K. Shaw 4-64 yds.
    R. Smith 4-34 yds.
    C. Green 1-3 yds.

    GANoles93