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Anyone hear this rumor?

  • Saw this on an unrelated board (not rivals, 247 or similar networks). WVU's AD Luck allegedly met with VT's AD recently. The rumor is saying that it relates to WVU and Pitt being extended offers to join the ACC.

    Anyone else hear this crazy rumor? I love these things, they make mornings so much more entertaining.

    FluffyBunny

  • Just a gut feeling here, but the answer would likely be no.

    The ACC's TV deal goes into affect this coming football season. FSU gets about $3.4 million more in 2011-12 than in 2010-11.

    Adding a school or two schools would dilute the share of the revenue. Yes, there's likely a provision in the deal with ABC/ESPN/Raycom that the ACC would get more revenue if expansion happens. But it would mean going back to the table, and the networks would have to really like the two new schools and those markets.

    Pitt would bring a huge TV market. West Virginia would bring ... umm, wait for it ... a rivalry with Pitt.

    One thing this might, might resolve would be an honest realignment of the ACC's divisions - which currently don't make any sense.

    It might allow for a North and a South instead of what we currently have.

    Bob Ferrante

  • Bob Ferrante said...

    Just a gut feeling here, but the answer would likely be no.

    The ACC's TV deal goes into affect this coming football season. FSU gets about $3.4 million more in 2011-12 than in 2010-11.

    Adding a school or two schools would dilute the share of the revenue. Yes, there's likely a provision in the deal with ABC/ESPN/Raycom that the ACC would get more revenue if expansion happens. But it would mean going back to the table, and the networks would have to really like the two new schools and those markets.

    Pitt would bring a huge TV market. West Virginia would bring ... umm, wait for it ... a rivalry with Pitt.

    One thing this might, might resolve would be an honest realignment of the ACC's divisions - which currently don't make any sense.

    It might allow for a North and a South instead of what we currently have.

    I think our TV deal is pretty terrible so adding the Pitt market and being able to redo our TV deal, especially at a time when the crown jewel of the conference FSU is top 10 couldnt hurt

    mmusi34

  • http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/6/22/2237062/conference-expansion-realignment-acc-big-east-pitt-west-virginia

    Pretty solid piece on the rumor

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  • Bob Ferrante said...

    Just a gut feeling here, but the answer would likely be no.

    The ACC's TV deal goes into affect this coming football season. FSU gets about $3.4 million more in 2011-12 than in 2010-11.

    Adding a school or two schools would dilute the share of the revenue. Yes, there's likely a provision in the deal with ABC/ESPN/Raycom that the ACC would get more revenue if expansion happens. But it would mean going back to the table, and the networks would have to really like the two new schools and those markets.

    Pitt would bring a huge TV market. West Virginia would bring ... umm, wait for it ... a rivalry with Pitt.

    One thing this might, might resolve would be an honest realignment of the ACC's divisions - which currently don't make any sense.

    It might allow for a North and a South instead of what we currently have.

    It's an additional $6.9 million per school. Our old deal was $6 million per school and the new deal is $12.9 million per school.

    fsukum ●

  • mmusi34 said...

    I think our TV deal is pretty terrible so adding the Pitt market and being able to redo our TV deal, especially at a time when the crown jewel of the conference FSU is top 10 couldnt hurt

    It's not terrible. We should be lucky we got as much as we did to be honest. This new TV more than doubled our old one.

    SEC: $2.25 billion over 15 years...$150 million per year...$12.5 million per school.
    ACC: $1.86 billion over 12 years...$155 million per year...$12.9 million per school.

    The SEC gets more money overall by the end of their contract($3.25 million per school more), but the ACC's TV deal grants their schools more money ($400,000) per year than the SEC's.

    fsukum ●

  • I can't say I'd mind adding two new teams, especially ones in WVU and Pitt, but I like the 12-team setup. We could just trade the Big East. We'll give them Wake and BC, and we get WVU and Pitt. Fair deal, right? biggrin

    EnterTheOcho

  • We should have added Pitt instead of BC the first time. I'd take them in a second.

    WVU has solid athletic programs, but aren't their academics atrocious? I've never really understood the benefit to having a high academic ranking for your athletic conference, but some folks in Carolina are still unhappy that we let VT and UM in for that reason

    Enzo

  • Enzo said...

    We should have added Pitt instead of BC the first time. I'd take them in a second.

    WVU has solid athletic programs, but aren't their academics atrocious? I've never really understood the benefit to having a high academic ranking for your athletic conference, but some folks in Carolina are still unhappy that we let VT and UM in for that reason

    Isn't UM rated as a better academic institution than FSU? Why would the Carolina schools be unhappy about adding Miami?

    fsukum ●

  • Has anyone considered adding USF or UCF? Tampa is #13 and Orlando #19 on the list of media markets.

    List of media markets and college football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_media_markets_and_college_football

    en.wikipedia.org

    tlhwg

  • Enzo said...

    .... I've never really understood the benefit to having a high academic ranking for your athletic conference, but some folks in Carolina are still unhappy that we let VT and UM in for that reason

    Sort of ironic now that UNC is currently under investigation by the NCAA for many potential violations, some of which are academic-related.

    tlhwg

  • fsukum said...

    It's not terrible. We should be lucky we got as much as we did to be honest. This new TV more than doubled our old one.

    SEC: $2.25 billion over 15 years...$150 million per year...$12.5 million per school. ACC: $1.86 billion over 12 years...$155 million per year...$12.9 million per school.

    The SEC gets more money overall by the end of their contract($3.25 million per school more), but the ACC's TV deal grants their schools more money ($400,000) per year than the SEC's.

    SEC has a secondary deal with CBS worth an additional 55 mil a year.

    Annual Income Per Year Per School breaks down like this
    Pac 12 20.8 Mil
    Big 10 18.3
    SEC 17.1
    Big 12 13.0
    ACC 12.9

    Lincoln Hawk ●

  • We won't add WVU iyam, their academics are not up to par.

    TNoles813

  • Lincoln Hawk said...

    SEC has a secondary deal with CBS worth an additional 55 mil a year.

    Annual Income Per Year Per School breaks down like this Pac 12 20.8 Mil Big 10 18.3 SEC 17.1 Big 12 13.0 ACC 12.9

    I understand that. UF also has a deal with SunSports. I was talking strictly from our new TV deal with ESPN. It's not "terrible" at all.

    I think it would behoove us to get a deal with Fox (like the SEC has with CBS) and Sunsports (Like UF) if possible.

    fsukum ●

  • tlhwg said...

    Has anyone considered adding USF or UCF? Tampa is #13 and Orlando #19 on the list of media markets.

    USF just isnt their as a school right now. Its fairly new as a legit school. Same for UCF. Pitt and WVU are more traditional schools. Adding UCF and USF to a legit conference will also affect our recruiting in a negative way.

    mmusi34

  • fsukum said...

    I understand that. UF also has a deal with SunSports. I was talking strictly from our new TV deal with ESPN. It's not "terrible" at all.

    I think it would behoove us to get a deal with Fox (like the SEC has with CBS) and Sunsports (Like UF) if possible.

    sure ya did

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  • mmusi34 said...

    USF just isnt their as a school right now. Its fairly new as a legit school. Same for UCF. Pitt and WVU are more traditional schools. Adding UCF and USF to a legit conference will also affect our recruiting in a negative way.

    Pitt and WVU would also make the ACC a hell of a lot more competitive, at least internally. We still don't have that one team that can compete for a MNC because everyone keeps losing to each other. Hope that team pans out to be us in the next year or two.

    EnterTheOcho

  • Lincoln Hawk said...

    sure ya did

    Ok?

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  • fsukum said...

    I understand that. UF also has a deal with SunSports. I was talking strictly from our new TV deal with ESPN. It's not "terrible" at all.

    I think it would behoove us to get a deal with Fox (like the SEC has with CBS) and Sunsports (Like UF) if possible.

    you dont understand that because the deal we signed with ESPN gives them the right to everything. No side deals will be negotiated. It isnt a good deal, especially with what the pac 12 just signed. Is it as bad as our old TV deal? no. That doesnt mean it is good.

    mmusi34

  • pitt adds nothing to our conference. They are 2nd fiddle even in Pittsburgh i don't believe that Pitt has been approached by the ACC

    I would not be surprised if wvu & pitt approached the acc

    I have been told by people who would know not to expect any ACC serious expansion talks until the ACC makes a run at ND.

    TNOLE27 ●

  • mmusi34 said...

    you dont understand that because the deal we signed with ESPN gives them the right to everything. No side deals will be negotiated. It isnt a good deal, especially with what the pac 12 just signed. Is it as bad as our old TV deal? no. That doesnt mean it is good.

    Yes, I understand that the SEC has a secondary deal. No, I did not understand that the ACC couldn't negotiate a secondary deal; Hence why I said, "If possible". I think the ACC got a great deal when you consider the product the ACC puts on the field annually. You are entitled to your opinion and I am mine.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by fsukum on 6/24/2011 at 11:02 AM

    fsukum ●

  • Lots of good opinions here. I love the expansion talk and see it's always a hot topic - just like it was back in 2003 (or so) when all the Miami chatter began.

    Just to clarify on the TV deal. An FSU official told me - on the record - that FSU will make $10 million from the TV deal in 2011-12. Not sure where the $12.9 million is coming from.

    Not saying it's wrong, just saying that it's not what I have been told by senior athletics officials.

    And, in my opinion, it's an improved TV deal. Not as good as a bunch of others out there, but not terrible.

    Bob Ferrante

  • TNOLE27 said...

    pitt adds nothing to our conference. They are 2nd fiddle even in Pittsburgh i don't believe that Pitt has been approached by the ACC

    I would not be surprised if wvu & pitt approached the acc

    I have been told by people who would know not to expect any ACC serious expansion talks until the ACC makes a run at ND.

    The ACC makes a run at ND? Thats one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. ND is independent or the Big Ten. No way they go to a conference away from where their power alumni live (Chicago). Wow that is hilarious.

    mmusi34

  • Bob Ferrante said...

    Not as good as a bunch of others out there, but not terrible.

    Which is all I was pointing out. Our deal was not terrible, imo.

    Here is the quote from ESPN.com: "By contrast, the ESPN deal would bring an average of $155 million in TV money per year, an average of more than $12.9 million per school. Those payouts don't include money from bowl games, NCAA tournaments or any other revenue the league distributes to member schools."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5363743

    This post was edited by fsukum on 6/24/2011 at 11:07 AM

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  • fsukum said...

    Isn't UM rated as a better academic institution than FSU? Why would the Carolina schools be unhappy about adding Miami?

    Travel distance for one reason. It's pretty far away for BC, and the schools North of the Carolinas, adding costs to the expense side of the ledger.

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