Unconquered

Some speculate Olympic Sports, Orange Bowl, etc.....but I doubt Presidents would meet for that.

If ND joins and we update the TV contract, I hope FSU stays in the ACC.

If by updating the contract, you mean FSU gets comparable TV money to our out of conference rivals then I agree, stay in the ACC. I just wish we could replace Syracuse with ND instead of having to go to 16...

I still hope we leave. I just don't see anything that this conference can do to counter the stupid moves that have been made already.

Lol, if we can get rid of Swoffard, the lousy ACC officials, and this new contract, I would consider staying...

To be fair, the "powers" have always been making more than we have an duntil recently, it wasn't even this close in monetary gap. It hasn't effected us yet. Second, adding ND would be great leverage for renegotiations. If we could get the contracted altered to where it's not backloaded and we see a boost in pay per school, the contract will be competitive with the "powers". There are a lot of "IFs" there, but there are a lot in the Bog 12 too.

I wouldn't be oppossed to either move, but i am not shortsided or stubborn enough to believe that the contract in this conference can't be improved significantly with ND.

Some speculation about tying them into the Orange Bowl with us. I hope that's BS. Take the best team don't lock ND in just because they're ND.

FSU needs to tell the ACC and Swofford to kiss its ass and be on the first train to the Big 12 or SEC.

There is no chance in hell that ND is joining a conference in Football. They have absolutely zero reason to. Even if they did I would there is absolutely no way Swofford and the ACC gets this done without alienating every other team in the conference.

If the rumor that they are joining The ACC in in Olympic sports is true, who cares? They did that with the Big East and it has done absolutely nothing for that conference other than bring along a decent (every few years) basketball team. Who cares? The ACC has enough decent basketball teams.

If the rumor of a Tie-In with the Orange Bowl is true, it still should not be enough to keep FSU in the ACC. Congratulations you are the ACC Champ! Now go play an 8-4 ND team instead of the best team available.

If FSU does make the decision to stay in the ACC the powers that be that make that decision better have a damn good reason/explanation for it.

It hasn't hurt us too much yet, but we all know with the way the game and business aspects are changing, not making close to what other teams are making is going to have a very negative impact. If that wasn't the case then none of us would be so upset about this conference and pushing so hard to leave because of lack of money. This isn't even just about football, it is the fact that we couldn't even give a raise to basketball staff. Football is the main money maker, but we want to succeed in all sports and that means we need money.

Getting ND as a full member would open up for renegotiations, but chances seem to be slim that that will actually happen. If it did, it would improve the contract substantially,but that is because right now it is so poor as far as what is known that it would be impossible not to improve things by a great deal. The main question is would it improve it enough over the potential money of the Big 12? Now I admit that there are a lot of unknowns for that move, but it does seem like the general consensus is that as things stand, we would make a lot more in that conference just with the basic contract. Then factor in teams making the playoffs and that adds on to the money. ND could improve the TV deal for us, but chances are slim that they become a playoff contender. So basically stuck in the ACC with a bunch of teams that will struggle going undefeated and making the playoffs. Big 12 isn't a top to bottom conference, but the top will be good enough to almost guarantee playoff money each year.

I'm not foolish enough to say that it would be impossible for the ACC to create a much better deal that would make it worth staying. However, given the track record with Swofford, it is very unlikely they make the right moves. If anything he will bend over backwards to get some sort of association with ND while still finding a way to screw us over. Going to laugh if this meeting is indeed about getting the OB tied to ND as well. That will be some very lackluster news.

ND is in the midwest.

Oklahoma, West Virginia and Texas are not the midwest. I consider Kansas plains, not midwest but whatever.

The Orange Bowl won't generate anymore revenue than the Rose or Champions and likely it will be less. The deal was as much to keep the OB relevant as it was to make sure the ACC didn't go the way of the Big East in the immediate future. There's a reason no other major conference paired up with the ACC and there's a reason the OB has the early, non-primetime tv slot.

I'm skeptical ND would join any conference, let alone the ACC. I don't see the need for them at this point in time. I also don't see how ND olympic sports is enough to really change the tv contract but it's something I can definitely see the ACC doing to try and prevent the conference from imploding.

Oh, yea. Money is the most important factor in athletic conferences. So if that's the "only" reason, it's still a damn good one.

News Headlines:
1. "ACC signs great renegotiated contract with ESPN" - and is still the worst paid major conference.
2. "ACC signs great new deal with the Orange Bowl" - and will likely have the worst "champions" bowl of the major conferences.
3. "New playoff brings increased revenue to the ACC" - but will likely receive less than the other major conferences.
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4. "Notre Dame joins the ACC in olympic sports" - but olympic sports aren't a ratings generator and the actual financial implications are small.

Hooray.

We will be the new Big East and talk of FSU to the Big 12 will persist, despite sensationalistic articles by pro-ACC writers and ACC news releases.

Yep

To be honest, a few million dollars will not matter much as far as trying to compete with Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Bama etc in dollars. Even if we were in the SEC, we would not be on their level as far as how much money we bring in. We have always made "much less" as a program/school, but have been very competitive. We were #17 (86.9 million) in sports revenue for 2011.(15+% growth from 2010) In 2010 we were #23. That is still $50-$70million behind them though. It is what it is.

Although imo we do very well using the money we do have. We have great/top facilities. We have a beautiful campus. We have tradition. We make postseason play in every athletic program on campus. Just a few thoughts...

(The link I had posted is broken for some reason when I post it here. It said, in 2010 the ACC was 3rd out of the power 5 conferences in revenue. In 2011 the ACC was 4th out of the power 5 conferences in revenue. Then it listed the 2011 sports revenue top 100 and FSU was #17 at 86+ million. Texas was #1 at 150+ million)